Message To The Leicester Promotor

[TMW]

Are you joking? There is as much moaning and whingeing about the Coventry promoter by their fans as there is about Leicester.

 

Sorry as i'm not a Cov regular I wasn't aware of that !!!!!

[wandersome]

I'll give you a sensible answer!!!!!! If David Hemsley wasn't there there wouldn't be a problem as you can see it's the same 4 or 5 all the time................. apart from those that are just on a wind up, of course

 

I went to Coventry a couple of weeks back and we played which ht can you fill the program in and apart from falls we were 99% right but they are happy with their promoter.!!!!! Tells the whole story

 

you are right Tina, if David Hemsley wasn't there there wouldn't be a problem because the track would have been altered by now!

[Elephantman]

_{Could I, as someone who hasn't yet been to Leicester, ask a practical question at this point: exactly what is wrong with the track? Is it the shape, which I read had been altered, the surface or what?}

 

_{Over the years speedway tracks have been built in all sorts of weird and wonderful locations: outside football and rugby pitches, inside dog tracks, (and sometimes sandwiched between both), inside stock car circuits, etc. This is in addition to a wide variety of surface textures but after the initial 'bedding down' period of the first season, most provide at least reasonable racing.}

 

_{So assuming Leicester started with a blank sheet of paper, I don't understand why the track is still attracting so many complaints from fans. (Sorry about the font / spacing, I'm having probs with the text editor)....}

 

From a neutral point of view it seems clear that Hemsley has fallen out with some of the people that originally were involved with the reopening of Leicester. Since then there has been a consisitent and persistant campaign to undermine the promotion. Hemsley has clearly not helped himself in all of this; but the reality is that issues that may have died out at other promotions are being kept in the spotlight by a vocal group who will not let it rest. It seems clear that they will not be happy until Hemsley is ousted. I would imagine Hemsley is waiting for a lottery win so that he can bulldoze the stadium and poke two fingers up at his critics. If I was in his shoes I'd probably choose to put Leicester back to where they were before I got involved; i.e. no speedway and no liklehood of speedway.

[wandersome]

as you can see it's the same 4 or 5 all the time.................

 

Just as an alternative, you could argue that around about 30 lions fans regularly post or read these topics and by my reckoning there are 3 who think the track is OK (you, Long Eye and Mrcts).

Edited April 29, 2013 by volty

[Gemini]

Sorry as i'm not a Cov regular I wasn't aware of that !!!!!

 

Forum or Facebook - there's more moaning about Leicester and Coventry promoters than any other track. Makes entertaining reading sometimes though.

[Leicester Lion]

From a neutral point of view it seems clear that Hemsley has fallen out with some of the people that originally were involved with the reopening of Leicester. Since then there has been a consisitent and persistant campaign to undermine the promotion. Hemsley has clearly not helped himself in all of this; but the reality is that issues that may have died out at other promotions are being kept in the spotlight by a vocal group who will not let it rest. It seems clear that they will not be happy until Hemsley is ousted. I would imagine Hemsley is waiting for a lottery win so that he can bulldoze the stadium and poke two fingers up at his critics. If I was in his shoes I'd probably choose to put Leicester back to where they were before I got involved; i.e. no speedway and no liklehood of speedway.

Forgive me, but I'm always a touch sceptical about people who declare themselves neutral. Clearly there is a "vocal group" but that shouldn't be taken to mean there is an organisation behind it, or a campaign. As I see it, they are fans who are just airing their concerns.

 

I'll give you a sensible answer!!!!!! If David Hemsley wasn't there there wouldn't be a problem as you can see it's the same 4 or 5 all the time................. apart from those that are just on a wind up, of course

 

I went to Coventry a couple of weeks back and we played which ht can you fill the program in and apart from falls we were 99% right but they are happy with their promoter.!!!!! Tells the whole story

Doesn't seem at all sensible to me. I talk to many fans around Beaumont Park on a race night and there are far more than "4 or 5" who have genuine issues with the entertainment served up by the track and have quite reasonable concerns about the way things are done at Leicester. Not everyone posts in the BSF.

 

I'm not sure what is meant by "tells the whole story". Coventry may well be as poor as Leicester, racing-wise, but that doesn't mean there should be a race to the bottom to see who provides the worst racing. Fans are entitled to be entertained and should demand better, whichever track they frequent.

[robert72]

 

 

I'll give you a sensible answer!!!!!! If David Hemsley wasn't there there wouldn't be a problem as you can see it's the same 4 or 5 all the time................. apart from those that are just on a wind up, of course

 

I went to Coventry a couple of weeks back and we played which ht can you fill the program in and apart from falls we were 99% right but they are happy with their promoter.!!!!! Tells the whole story

 

 

No it doesnt tell the whole story,You say if hemsley wasnt there then there wouldnt be a problem, thats partly right,because anyone with sense would change the track,You also make it out to be personal and not about the product that is wrong.

I guess you would carry on going to a restaurant and not complain even though the food is disgusting,pay them and smile as you leave saying it was lovely.

Edited April 29, 2013 by robert72

[Vulcan62]

The problem is that we (the supporters) keep being told that the racing is great when it obviously isn't.

 

If the promotion came out and said that they had made a mistake but that they couldn't fix it due to lack of finance, I think most people would accept it as long as they were given a possible timetable and maybe the costs involved.

 

To be told that this would happen during the winter and then find out that what had actually been done was almost nothing just made things worse.

 

Regarding Coventry, when Leicester closed I started going to watch them regularly (although they were the old enemy) but gave up as the racing was boring. I ended up just picking the odd meeting when the opposition was strong. I don't want this to happen at Leicester.

[robert72]

 

 

From a neutral point of view it seems clear that Hemsley has fallen out with some of the people that originally were involved with the reopening of Leicester. Since then there has been a consisitent and persistant campaign to undermine the promotion. Hemsley has clearly not helped himself in all of this; but the reality is that issues that may have died out at other promotions are being kept in the spotlight by a vocal group who will not let it rest. It seems clear that they will not be happy until Hemsley is ousted. I would imagine Hemsley is waiting for a lottery win so that he can bulldoze the stadium and poke two fingers up at his critics. If I was in his shoes I'd probably choose to put Leicester back to where they were before I got involved; i.e. no speedway and no liklehood of speedway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What a really stupid post, I havnt fallen out with hemsley and had no imput when it was being built,however i have been involved in speedway for many years to know that he is putting leicester speedway at risk.

 

Maybe he should put it up for sale as his lack of track changes and his rant at fans have done him no favours.

 

Edited April 29, 2013 by robert72

[TMW]

Just as an alternative, you could argue that around about 30 lions fans regularly post or read these topics and by my reckoning there are 3 who think the track is OK (you, Long Eye and Mrcts).

I don't believe I have ever said the track is ok (I don't understand track prep or design) I have always maintained it's the riders as it's the riders who have to pass and as I also have said Newport in the first season was an infamous meeting where the away team passed the home riders in virtually every heat. Montie who I hold in great esteem has said on the Leicester track "That was simply the best race I have ever seen" How is this possible on a crap track?? That is the question I want answering. Lions Den may put me right but before the opening night debacle which I believe has created this whole topic the track seemed to be ok?.

[wandersome]

. Montie who I hold in great esteem has said on the Leicester track "That was simply the best race I have ever seen" How is this possible on a crap track??

 

I think it's over to Montie to answer this one!

Edited April 29, 2013 by volty

[superguest]

All went sour at Leicester when Sam was pushed out. Need someone with a few spare £s to start again with the track.

[neb]

No it doesnt tell the whole story,You say if hemsley wasnt there then there wouldnt be a problem, thats partly right,because anyone with sense would change the track,You also make it out to be personal and not about the product that is wrong.

I guess you would carry on going to a restaurant and not complain even though the food is disgusting,pay them and smile as you leave saying it was lovely.

in my case if i was to have a bad experience at a restaurant then the chances are i wouldn't go back i would find myself somewhere where i enjoyed the food but unlike you i wouldn't dedicate my life to try and ruin that restaurant's business which in the case of leicester speedway thats what you and your little gang seem to be trying their best to do.you have made your point now shut up and move on before you find yourself in bother your starting to walk a very fine line and are becoming very personal with your constant attacks on david hemsley you are boarding very close to slander and i for one hope the moderators step in and give you and your tiresome little gang what you deserve...........a ban from this forum.

[wandersome]

That is the question I want answering. Lions Den may put me right but before the opening night debacle which I believe has created this whole topic the track seemed to be ok?.

 

too right. weirdly enough, i just happened to be down at beaumont park when they were concreting the fence posts in and i remember that seeming to be the point that most of the people who were working on the track had the realisation that the track shape was quite as bad as it was. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but i don't recall thinking the track looked too bad until the fence posts narrowed it all up and i recall having a 'debate' with Lionsden on here when he said pretty much the same thing. Maybe it did need some of the people heavily involved at the time to have had a bit more balls and make more of a stance at that time but i don't recall the crap track being any part of the reason it all went pete thonge between them all. I do remember going straight around to my uncles to joke about how they had got the measuements all wrong and thinking they would be digging it all up again (not 3 years later though!).

 

Mick.

 

Tina, the post of mine that i have quoted above was when i still thought the promoter was going to make some changes and and i was still firmly on the pro Hemsley side of the fence. It's from the beginning of this year when it looked like he was going to make the changes. Wasn't your husband up there that day? obviously the end bit in brackets didn't quite work out after all!

[Elephantman]

What a really stupid post, I havnt fallen out with hemsley and had no imput when it was being built,however i have been involved in speedway for many years to know that he is putting leicester speedway at risk.

 

Maybe he should put it up for sale as his lack of track changes and his rant at fans have done him no favours.

 

 

Is it really stupid? Is there anything I have posted that is factually incorrect?

1. Hemsley fell out with a number of people at the start and during the delivery of the project
   
2. 100's of posts have been made about that subject from some of the people involved
   
3. There has been constant ongoing criticism about Hemsley
   
4. Constant ongoing criticism about the racing surface
   
5. Constant ongoing criticism about the shape of the track
   

 

Forgive me, but I'm always a touch sceptical about people who declare themselves neutral. Clearly there is a "vocal group" but that shouldn't be taken to mean there is an organisation behind it, or a campaign. As I see it, they are fans who are just airing their concerns.

 

 

I'm not implying there is an organisation behind the campaign to oust Hemsley; but if something looks like a campaign, smells like a campaign and reacts like a campaign; it probably is a campaign! To all intent and purpose that is what the constant criticism of Leicester and Hemsley is.

 

I have no doubt that if Hemsley chucked a load of money at fixing the problems that many claim there are; a number of posters would then be moaning about the time it took for him to do it. The constant criticism means that he is in a no win situation; whatever he does is going to be wrong so he's better off keeping the money in his back pocket in the hope that things calm down and he has the space to make a reasoned judgment.

 

And that may be what is needed; some space for Hemsley to reflect and make some decisons. When people are put under constant pressure to do things they don't neccessarily agree with, many buckle and do it just for a quiet life. Others stick the requests to the bottom of the queue and don't budge an inch; that's where I'd be if I was putting up with this constant barrage because I'm as stubborn as ****. Hemsley may just be the same!

[The White Knight]

you are right Tina, if David Hemsley wasn't there there wouldn't be a problem because the track would have been altered by now!

 

You probably wouldn't have any Speedway at all to watch........................................................... :rolleyes:

[wandersome]

in my case if i was to have a bad experience at a restaurant then the chances are i wouldn't go back i would find myself somewhere where i enjoyed the food but unlike you i wouldn't dedicate my life to try and ruin that restaurant's business which in the case of leicester speedway thats what you and your little gang seem to be trying their best to do.you have made your point now shut up and move on before you find yourself in bother your starting to walk a very fine line and are becoming very personal with your constant attacks on david hemsley you are boarding very close to slander and i for one hope the moderators step in and give you and your tiresome little gang what you deserve...........a ban from this forum.

 

who's in the gang Neb? This post beggars belief. I personally think the most tiresome part of most Leicester threads are not talk of the track, but yours and Robert's spats which nearly all involve personal attacks and always end with you both being abusive to each other. I nearly always make a point of ignoring the pair of you, but it now appears you're trying to bring others into it. If moderators need to get involved then i'd say this what they need to get involved in. You, trying to goad people into an abusive argument. The defination of trolling. That's all i have to say on the subject.

 

Mick.

Edited April 29, 2013 by volty

[mrcts]

 

 

Just as an alternative, you could argue that around about 30 lions fans regularly post or read these topics and by my reckoning there are 3 who think the track is OK (you, Long Eye and Mrcts).

when have I ever said the track is good? Never,but I don't think it's as bad as some of the tracks I've been to......in fact the tracks were there is loads of 'genuine' passing you can count on one hand.

[neb]

who's in the gang Neb? This post beggars belief. I personally think the most tiresome part of most Leicester threads are not talk of the track, but yours and Robert's spats which nearly all involve personal attacks and always end with you both being abusive to each other. I nearly always make a point of ignoring the pair of you, but it now appears you're trying to bring others into it. If moderators need to get involved then i'd this this what they need to get involved in. You, trying to goad people into an abusive argument. The defination of trolling. That's all i have to say on the subject.

 

Mick.

the little gang dosen't take rocket science to work out does it?

[Halifaxtiger]

very clever post elephantman. Unfortunately without the god given talent to go with those attributes you mention id think that attitude will get you so far then leave you wanting. This is how it;s looking to me anyways. It's more likely to leave Hemsley with deep holes in his pockets. For that reason Elephantman, i fear you may find yourself saluting a fool. I'm sure we've all done it though

 

 

I'd say you can pretty much ignore his posts. When critical comments were made about the Sheffield line up during the close season, he described the persons concerned as 'mealy mouthed b$$tards' who should simply be grateful that they had speedway to watch. That included passionate, long standing supporters like Spin King whose very reasonable (and reasoned)concerns about the side were to be brushed aside or subjected to aggressive responses.

 

Its little wonder that he has come out with something about Leicester that is very similar.

 

I am sure that everyone at Leicester recognises the role that David Hemsley played in the re-establishment of speedway in Leicester. But that, in no way whatsoever, allows him to be exempt from reasonable criticism about it.

 

Speedway tracks are not charitable institutions run by some benefactor, they are businesses. That means they have a product that they offer to paying customers and those customers have every right to air their view if the product isn't up to scratch.

 

For me, you have all along fairly stated what a considerable number of people at Leicester and almost every away and neutral fan feel about the racing situation at Beaumont Park, and its clear that you have done so at least partly due to your concern for the future of the sport there.

 

More power to your elbow, I'd say.