Message To The Leicester Promotor

[robert72]

I'm genuinely surprised at your comments after all the dealings you had with Hemsley.Do you really think he is going to alter the track because a few people on here constantly moan about it......I think he would rather see you in hell or close the track down than admit he got it wrong....The only way the track will be significantly altered is if he sells up.

 

I suggest he sells now then to save leicester speedway because at the moment he is killing it.

[wandersome]

Refering back a thread or two to Nobrakeshere's post about a/the leading member of the backroom staff walking out mid winter. Rumour has it she has walked out for good this time after a big fall out between promotion and staff mid-week. I'm guessing this is the actual reason yesterday's junior 4tt meeting didn't happen.

[Long Eye]

Refering back a thread or two to Nobrakeshere's post about a/the leading member of the backroom staff walking out mid winter. Rumour has it she has walked out for good this time after a big fall out between promotion and staff mid-week. I'm guessing this is the actual reason yesterday's junior 4tt meeting didn't happen.

 

 

And you guessed incorrectly. Several other key staff had booked other things for this weekend once we were knocked out of the KOC & LC.

[justathought]

Key staff. I didn't know we had any of them. That's at least another £1 on the addmision we could charge

[BuckTaylor64]

Another perfect example of promoters not listening to the paying customer!

 

Fantastic set-up, good facilities, but poor racing! Sort it and you're on to a winner! If nothing's done, a slow and painful death continues!

 

Most good businesses have the motto 'The customer is always right'!

[LionsDen]

I'm genuinely surprised at your comments after all the dealings you had with Hemsley.Do you really think he is going to alter the track because a few people on here constantly moan about it......I think he would rather see you in hell or close the track down than admit he got it wrong....The only way the track will be significantly altered is if he sells up.

 

I wasn't for one minute suggesting it will happen, just what should happen if people want this ongoing track debate to eventually stop. It won't go away whilst people are unhappy. Being too stubborn to admit he got it wrong doesn't make it go away either.

 

And it's not just "a few people on here" who moan about it either. There's a large number who came to see speedway and now don't bother going any more.

Edited April 28, 2013 by LionsDen

[wandersome]

And you guessed incorrectly. Several other key staff had booked other things for this weekend once we were knocked out of the KOC & LC.

 

Poorly worded by me again. I don't doubt you're correct in what you say but what I meant was the mid-week meeting between the promotion and staff, that also saw the wife of one of the promoters walk out on Leicester Speedway, was the reason the 4tt meeting didn't go ahead yesterday. It did seem there was a meeting being planned until that meeting happened. You got to ask questions about what's going on, no?

Edited April 28, 2013 by volty

[Long Eye]

Poorly worded by me again. I don't doubt you're correct in what you say but what I meant was the mid-week meeting between the promotion and staff, that also saw the wife of one of the promoters walk out on Leicester Speedway, was the reason the 4tt meeting didn't go ahead yesterday. It did seem there was a meeting being planned until that meeting happened. You got to ask questions about what's going on, no?

 

It was posted on Facebook TUESDAY 23rd that the meeting announced for the 27th would not be going ahead. No I didn't ask what was going on at the meeting as I wasn't there and had no reason to be.

[Glennylion]

I know nothing about what makes a track good or bad but the speedway is more riding than racing. I still enjoy going though. For me no matter how you adapt the straights, the apex is always going to be too sharp and that is because the centre green is too narrow. It seems to me that they need to stretch the centre green out and borrow a bit of space in front of the 'Grandstand' and terrace. There is a 2 metre ish gap from track to green fence, does that need to be there for regulations or could a bit be borrowed? As I say, just a thought and I am willing to be shot down as knowing nothing.

 

The Leicester project is going to be done in cycles and we are at a stage where the promotion can get away with not amending the track. I say this as we are year 3 in the evolving history. Year 1, pleased to be back, year 2 novelty worn off but a better chance than year 1, year 3 a further step on from 2. Crowds holding up generally and no panic to spend track as year 4 will get a business 'shot in the arm' with Elite League. That will give the new year 1 feeling again, especially the high number of more local teams that will bring some fans.

 

I therefore see that very little will be done as crowds and revenue will hold up well and give the impression that all is well and the cycle of circumstance will paper over the crack for another 3-4 years.

 

The only real change to that pattern I see is after year 1 of elite, the noise from bigger groups of visiting fans that start diminishing and from any TV comments is so bad that the hand is forced. This could be a long running saga.

[stevethelion]

Poorly worded by me again. I don't doubt you're correct in what you say but what I meant was the mid-week meeting between the promotion and staff, that also saw the wife of one of the promoters walk out on Leicester Speedway, was the reason the 4tt meeting didn't go ahead yesterday. It did seem there was a meeting being planned until that meeting happened. You got to ask questions about what's going on, no?

It actually said on the lions website as early as monday lunchtime, 22nd April, that there would be no meeting on 27th April so i don't see how a disagreement mid-week could have caused the 4 TT to be cancelled.

[wandersome]

It actually said on the lions website as early as monday lunchtime, 22nd April, that there would be no meeting on 27th April so i don't see how a disagreement mid-week could have caused the 4 TT to be cancelled.

 

fair enough.

Edited April 28, 2013 by volty

[robert72]

I know nothing about what makes a track good or bad but the speedway is more riding than racing. I still enjoy going though. For me no matter how you adapt the straights, the apex is always going to be too sharp and that is because the centre green is too narrow. It seems to me that they need to stretch the centre green out and borrow a bit of space in front of the 'Grandstand' and terrace. There is a 2 metre ish gap from track to green fence, does that need to be there for regulations or could a bit be borrowed? As I say, just a thought and I am willing to be shot down as knowing nothing.

 

The Leicester project is going to be done in cycles and we are at a stage where the promotion can get away with not amending the track. I say this as we are year 3 in the evolving history. Year 1, pleased to be back, year 2 novelty worn off but a better chance than year 1, year 3 a further step on from 2. Crowds holding up generally and no panic to spend track as year 4 will get a business 'shot in the arm' with Elite League. That will give the new year 1 feeling again, especially the high number of more local teams that will bring some fans.

 

I therefore see that very little will be done as crowds and revenue will hold up well and give the impression that all is well and the cycle of circumstance will paper over the crack for another 3-4 years.

 

The only real change to that pattern I see is after year 1 of elite, the noise from bigger groups of visiting fans that start diminishing and from any TV comments is so bad that the hand is forced. This could be a long running saga.

 

Do you seriously think its good buisness to even think about elite league for leicester,I think that was another pipe dream that they knew was not affordable for the club but what fans wanted to hear, shame they dont put more evert into the main issue the track.

 

So the promotors wife has gone from the club now, will her husband follow?

[flagrag]

I don't think the facts are right about the co promotors wife going this week, As I was told about this at the first home meeting that she had gone due to a fall out with Hemsley on press and practice day over the office running for the proposed Coventry meeting.

 

She is badly missed at the club as I am told she did nearly all the admin work and got the club a good name by paying the riders on time and detailed breakdown of money earns and deductions. She also did a lot with the programme so wonder if that's why price has gone up if having to get a company to do the layout and production each week.

 

To be fair it's not really the fans thing with internal club politics unless it affects team performance as just like a fall out in a normal workplace.

Edited April 28, 2013 by flagrag

[robert72]

I don't think the facts are right about the co promotors wife going this week, As I was told about this at the first home meeting that she had gone due to a fall out with Hemsley on press and practice day over the office running for the proposed Coventry meeting.

 

She is badly missed at the club as I am told she did nearly all the admin work and got the club a good name by paying the riders on time and detailed breakdown of money earns and deductions. She also did a lot with the programme so wonder if that's why price has gone up if having to get a company to do the layout and production each week.

 

To be fair it's not really the fans thing with internal club politics unless it affects team performance as just like a fall out in a normal workplace.

 

She isnt the first and wont be the last to leave after words with hemsley.

 

 

[neb]

robert 72 answer me one question please

have you been a pleb all your life or just since mr hemsley built the track at leicester?

Edited April 28, 2013 by neb

[martinmauger]

_{Could I, as someone who hasn't yet been to Leicester, ask a practical question at this point: exactly what is wrong with the track? Is it the shape, which I read had been altered, the surface or what?}

 

_{Over the years speedway tracks have been built in all sorts of weird and wonderful locations: outside football and rugby pitches, inside dog tracks, (and sometimes sandwiched between both), inside stock car circuits, etc. This is in addition to a wide variety of surface textures but after the initial 'bedding down' period of the first season, most provide at least reasonable racing.}

 

_{So assuming Leicester started with a blank sheet of paper, I don't understand why the track is still attracting so many complaints from fans. (Sorry about the font / spacing, I'm having probs with the text editor)....}

[Glennylion]

Do you seriously think its good buisness to even think about elite league for leicester,I think that was another pipe dream that they knew was not affordable for the club but what fans wanted to hear, shame they dont put more evert into the main issue the track.

 

 

Whether it is good business I don't know, like I don't know whether it was serious intention. But seeing as it went as far as the meeting then I would have thought that it was a serious consideration.

 

My point was that everyone is saying that crowds will diminish if no track work is completed. This I believe only applies if they stay in the premier. Should they go Elite then it would be like a new start and even if the track was not touched then the crowds would increase. Short term therefore, the worry of reduced crowds would be eliminated but would merely paper over the cracks which may become more apparent in later years of Elite league, as they are now in the premier.

[wandersome]

Whether it is good business I don't know, like I don't know whether it was serious intention. But seeing as it went as far as the meeting then I would have thought that it was a serious consideration.

 

My point was that everyone is saying that crowds will diminish if no track work is completed. This I believe only applies if they stay in the premier. Should they go Elite then it would be like a new start and even if the track was not touched then the crowds would increase. Short term therefore, the worry of reduced crowds would be eliminated but would merely paper over the cracks which may become more apparent in later years of Elite league, as they are now in the premier.

 

i kind of agree with you Glennylion. But everything you say requires enough capital in the business to move it in that direction and going by the desperation shown in those programme notes last week you have to wonder whether it's there at present. Or how it's going to be added without track changes being added to the agenda.

Edited April 29, 2013 by volty

[TMW]

_{Could I, as someone who hasn't yet been to Leicester, ask a practical question at this point: exactly what is wrong with the track? Is it the shape, which I read had been altered, the surface or what?}

 

_{Over the years speedway tracks have been built in all sorts of weird and wonderful locations: outside football and rugby pitches, inside dog tracks, (and sometimes sandwiched between both), inside stock car circuits, etc. This is in addition to a wide variety of surface textures but after the initial 'bedding down' period of the first season, most provide at least reasonable racing.}

 

_{So assuming Leicester started with a blank sheet of paper, I don't understand why the track is still attracting so many complaints from fans. (Sorry about the font / spacing, I'm having probs with the text editor)....}

 

I'll give you a sensible answer!!!!!! If David Hemsley wasn't there there wouldn't be a problem as you can see it's the same 4 or 5 all the time................. apart from those that are just on a wind up, of course

 

I went to Coventry a couple of weeks back and we played which ht can you fill the program in and apart from falls we were 99% right but they are happy with their promoter.!!!!! Tells the whole story

[Gemini]

I went to Coventry a couple of weeks back and we played which ht can you fill the program in and apart from falls we were 99% right but they are happy with their promoter.!!!!! Tells the whole story.

 

Are you joking? There is as much moaning and whingeing about the Coventry promoter by their fans as there is about Leicester.