Message To The Leicester Promotor

[robert72]

Another good advert for speedway tonight on eurosport,I hope those who think leicester is fine then watch tonights meeting again or the ones at somerset and scunny.

[jim the whipper]

I hope they don''t have a fire in the near future at Leicester speedway :lol:

Edited June 15, 2013 by jim the whipper

[Nobblytriers]

Another good advert for speedway tonight on eurosport,I hope those who think leicester is fine then watch tonights meeting again or the ones at somerset and scunny.

Can't disagree with you there Robert, some great racing and great slow-mo replay, the best GP yet I think.

 

The problem I've got is that you keep having a go at Leicester supporters who think the racing at BP is OK. I don't know if you've stopped going, but if you have, and you encourage many others to stop going as well, then we will loose Leicester Speedway because it won't be viable anymore.

You might not like the racing that BP dishes up, and if that's the case then don't go, but I really can't see what you hope to achieve with your constant digs at the promotion and the track. I don't always enjoy the racing at BP but I do try and come away with something from the night out. I could watch a rider on his own and still get something from it and when there's four going round it's even better. Throw in some passing, and we do get some passing at BP, and it's happy days!

 

I watched some of the slow-mo last night in awe. These guys really are talented beyond belief. The constant need to keep correcting the bike, watch for your opponents and the ability to control the bike in an instant when the track gives them grip or takes it away - incredible to watch. They certainly don't get the recognition I think they deserve.

 

If you've got a few bob in the bank Robert then team up with DH, risk your hard earned as he has done, get the track changed and we'll all be happy. It's his business and I think we have to let him get on with it.

[The White Knight]

Can't disagree with you there Robert, some great racing and great slow-mo replay, the best GP yet I think.

 

The problem I've got is that you keep having a go at Leicester supporters who think the racing at BP is OK. I don't know if you've stopped going, but if you have, and you encourage many others to stop going as well, then we will loose Leicester Speedway because it won't be viable anymore.

You might not like the racing that BP dishes up, and if that's the case then don't go, but I really can't see what you hope to achieve with your constant digs at the promotion and the track. I don't always enjoy the racing at BP but I do try and come away with something from the night out. I could watch a rider on his own and still get something from it and when there's four going round it's even better. Throw in some passing, and we do get some passing at BP, and it's happy days!

 

I watched some of the slow-mo last night in awe. These guys really are talented beyond belief. The constant need to keep correcting the bike, watch for your opponents and the ability to control the bike in an instant when the track gives them grip or takes it away - incredible to watch. They certainly don't get the recognition I think they deserve.

 

If you've got a few bob in the bank Robert then team up with DH, risk your hard earned as he has done, get the track changed and we'll all be happy. It's his business and I think we have to let him get on with it.

 

Very well put Sir. :approve:

[Gemini]

Good post nobblytriers which just about sums up the situation. One of my pet hates is repetition so although I may agree with a lot of what Robert says I think we've all got the message now and it's just boring repeating the same things over and over again.

[The White Knight]

Good post nobblytriers which just about sums up the situation. One of my pet hates is repetition so although I may agree with a lot of what Robert says I think we've all got the message now and it's just boring repeating the same things over and over again.

 

My point exactly - but you put it far more nicely than I.

[neb]

Good post nobblytriers which just about sums up the situation. One of my pet hates is repetition so although I may agree with a lot of what Robert says I think we've all got the message now and it's just boring repeating the same things over and over again.

what you have to remember gemini is we all have a life and robert dont but is that reason enough to excuse him?

[robert72]

 

Can't disagree with you there Robert, some great racing and great slow-mo replay, the best GP yet I think.

 

The problem I've got is that you keep having a go at Leicester supporters who think the racing at BP is OK. I don't know if you've stopped going, but if you have, and you encourage many others to stop going as well, then we will loose Leicester Speedway because it won't be viable anymore.

You might not like the racing that BP dishes up, and if that's the case then don't go, but I really can't see what you hope to achieve with your constant digs at the promotion and the track. I don't always enjoy the racing at BP but I do try and come away with something from the night out. I could watch a rider on his own and still get something from it and when there's four going round it's even better. Throw in some passing, and we do get some passing at BP, and it's happy days!

 

I watched some of the slow-mo last night in awe. These guys really are talented beyond belief. The constant need to keep correcting the bike, watch for your opponents and the ability to control the bike in an instant when the track gives them grip or takes it away - incredible to watch. They certainly don't get the recognition I think they deserve.

 

If you've got a few bob in the bank Robert then team up with DH, risk your hard earned as he has done, get the track changed and we'll all be happy. It's his business and I think we have to let him get on with it.

 

Very good post unlike some who go out of there wat to be abusive.

 

Let me start by saying you mentioned about putting supporters off and the fear of losing speedway at leicester, this bit DH is doing all by himself, Just look at the amount of staff & helpers that have walked away, look at the sponsors who have walked away,look at what happened up there a few weeks ago with a sponsor who puts money in to help keep leicester speedway in buisness. DH is his own worst enemy,if you really think i am putting fans off then you need to look closely to the promotion.

The track is what has to be right in speedway to make it entertaining and make the fans want to comeback.

You said why do i and others keep going on about the track,the more pressure then maybe he will listen before its too late and speedway closes at BP.

 

 

[Vince]

The difference being that the Promoter has something to lose if fans stop going because of what he has done. You, on the other hand have nothing except having to travel an extra few miles to watch Speedway. I think everybody has the message that you don't like the track, undoubtedly your efforts to tell everybody so will have stopped a few people going to Leicester so you are not helping the situation in any way. I think your attitude is far more personal vendetta than constructive criticism. I saw the same with Newport on this forum, people who thought they were doing the right thing and making suggestions about how the club would definitely succeeed. They even got their wish in a roundabout way with a new promotion that took all their ideas on board, where are they now? You don't like the way Leicester Speedway is run, fine you told everybody now let the people who put the money up get on with it for good or bad.

[justathought]

Exactly.

 

It really is very simple, if you don't like whats on offer dont go.

[Skodaman]

Very good post unlike some who go out of there wat to be abusive.

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately, you can be just as abusive as the next man (or woman - trying not to be sexist)

[wandersome]

The difference being that the Promoter has something to lose if fans stop going because of what he has done. You, on the other hand have nothing except having to travel an extra few miles to watch Speedway. I think everybody has the message that you don't like the track, undoubtedly your efforts to tell everybody so will have stopped a few people going to Leicester so you are not helping the situation in any way. I think your attitude is far more personal vendetta than constructive criticism. I saw the same with Newport on this forum, people who thought they were doing the right thing and making suggestions about how the club would definitely succeeed. They even got their wish in a roundabout way with a new promotion that took all their ideas on board, where are they now? You don't like the way Leicester Speedway is run, fine you told everybody now let the people who put the money up get on with it for good or bad.

 

The second time i've seen you use this simile as an argument Vince. Interestingly you could use a whole host of promoter pairings to fit any argument you're trying to make about the situation at Leicester. Doesn't take someone which a huge knowledge of speedway to make very similar posts with regards to David Hemsley and Phil Bartlett, David Hemsley and Mike Bowden Or even David Hemsley and Tony Mole should you so wish. I'm sure you could see that with a few selective points all could easily be made to fit an argument someone might wish to make, but all would be equally just as pointless for obvious reasons, which is why i've never felt the need to make such a post.

 

It's interesting that why I admit i do tend to stick to making posts about the things that cause me concern about Leicester Speedway at present, rather than our on track success, it's surely important that rumours on the terraces of non payments to contractors, repossessions of important equipment, the strange situation with regards to Nemo's testimonial, open to all public arguments between main sponsors & our promoter, dangerous tracks, lower than expected average crowds and so on and on are not just ignored because we don't feel we can say anything for fear we will be blamed for harming the current promotion. As someone who wants to see Leicester Speedway a success i genuinely feel these are worrying times. Is that so wrong?

 

Mick.

Edited June 17, 2013 by volty

[Vince]

To be fair Mick I see your posts in a different light to those of Robert 72. You make a point and reply to other posts on the subject where Robert 72 just says the same thing over and over again. I think the Newport situation is a fair comparison because it is a very similar situation where one or two people just go way over the top while the majority discuss the matter more responsibly. Possibly Plymouth is similar but I think the posts from Weymouth supporters were generally positive until very near the end. My point is that people should be careful what they wish for because what seems blindingly obvious to some as the way to success may not work after all.

[wandersome]

To be fair Mick I see your posts in a different light to those of Robert 72. You make a point and reply to other posts on the subject where Robert 72 just says the same thing over and over again. I think the Newport situation is a fair comparison because it is a very similar situation where one or two people just go way over the top while the majority discuss the matter more responsibly. Possibly Plymouth is similar but I think the posts from Weymouth supporters were generally positive until very near the end. My point is that people should be careful what they wish for because what seems blindingly obvious to some as the way to success may not work after all.

 

don't disagree Vince. I guess one strange phenomonen that does exist as the fanbase contracts is that the support for the promoter actually increases as there is a percentage increase in people left still enjoying their night out. I suppose a point you could make as a comparison with Newport is it's probably better as a promoter, rather than listening to all the happy customers, if he can realise that this phenomenen is happening before you end up at a point where you have a fanbase of 300 fans of the fayre and 100 who just can't give it up in regular crowds of 400. At that point there almost no way back, as shown by the situation at Newport. Leicester are halfway there and train appears to be still rolling on dropping a few off at every junction.

Edited June 18, 2013 by volty

[robert72]

 

 

It's interesting that why I admit i do tend to stick to making posts about the things that cause me concern about Leicester Speedway at present, rather than our on track success, it's surely important that rumours on the terraces of non payments to contractors, repossessions of important equipment, the strange situation with regards to Nemo's testimonial, open to all public arguments between main sponsors & our promoter, dangerous tracks, lower than expected average crowds and so on and on are not just ignored because we don't feel we can say anything for fear we will be blamed for harming the current promotion. As someone who wants to see Leicester Speedway a success i genuinely feel these are worrying times. Is that so wrong?

 

Mick.

I said along time ago the club is in a crisis,these are only a few points to a full story mick has mentioned,i agree with mick its worrying times for leicester speedway and i do hope DH does the right thing and puts it up for sale and let someone else take over and put things right and make leicester speedway a success.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[neb]

I said along time ago the club is in a crisis,these are only a few points to a full story mick has mentioned,i agree with mick its worrying times for leicester speedway and i do hope DH does the right thing and puts it up for sale and let someone else take over and put things right and make leicester speedway a success.

robert you are becoming forgetful this is the only post out of 838 where you have not mentioned the track,can you please re-post and give the track a mention,cheers.

[proud panther]

The problem would be finding a buyer, because its not an easy business to make money. It takes a lot of man hours to run, & if you put in 70+ hours a week into it, & dont make any money, your enthusiasm will quickly evaporate. It has been said before, but the best thing the fans could do, is raise the money to alter the track.

[jim the whipper]

To be fair Mick I see your posts in a different light to those of Robert 72. You make a point and reply to other posts on the subject where Robert 72 just says the same thing over and over again. I think the Newport situation is a fair comparison because it is a very similar situation where one or two people just go way over the top while the majority discuss the matter more responsibly. Possibly Plymouth is similar but I think the posts from Weymouth supporters were generally positive until very near the end. My point is that people should be careful what they wish for because what seems blindingly obvious to some as the way to success may not work after all.

Newport is a good choice for similarity on quite a few points , very similar promoters (although I believe Hemsley to be a fair bit more wealthy than Tim Stone ) Losing sponsors who are putting large amounts into the club through total arrogance , a poor racetrack in relatively nice surroundings . By the time the Malletts took over at Newport and started to rectify some of the faults ,although they had a few of their own . It was too late . the crowd had fallen below MVP and extinction was inevitable . speedway's Limited appeal meant that almost everyone interested had at sometime attended and for various reasons had chosen not to return , so in the end Newport's demise was inevitable . Leicester are into the downward spiral and have the added millstone of other successful sports teams pitching their wares to the same populus something which Newport did not have . it's not too late for Leicester just yet as it's location makes it easily accessible to support from other teams , but they will only attend if they are going to be entertained which currently they are not, however at this point providing decent entertainment would bring them back and help to stem the tide , certainly 72's repeated postings re the track make him sound as repetitive as a stuck record but I believe this is borne from concern rather than animosity , certainly no worse than the constantly abusive posts by some or the silly sit back and listen to the band while the ship sinks in icy waters posts made repeatedly by a few . suggestions that supporters should raise funds for track alterations are a waste of time , by now I should think everyone would have have gathered that David Hemsley thinks the track is fine ,so why would he alter it even if someone else paid ? better use of time and resources would be to buy a Tractor and some decent shale . at least that way, there would be a chance of good preparation providing some of the lacking entertainment without having to deflate Hemsleys ego .

[wandersome]

. It has been said before, but the best thing the fans could do, is raise the money to alter the track.

 

This has also been answered in the post that follows by Jim The Whipper. i don't think this is an option as Mr Hemsley doesn't want to change the track. Had he thought this was an avenue he wanted to go down he could have changed the track by now, and at no financial outlay to himself. That i'm fairly certain of so to speak. The issues we currently have, as many mentioned on the Glasgow meeting thread, was that it would appear that the tractors, bowser and all the track equipment had disappeared during the week of that meeting and only a last ditch rental of a monster tractor allowed some last minute preparation. Not enough though as the track had huge holes in it was, frankly, dangerous.

Edited June 18, 2013 by volty

[Hazzman]

The problem would be finding a buyer, because its not an easy business to make money. It takes a lot of man hours to run, & if you put in 70+ hours a week into it, & dont make any money, your enthusiasm will quickly evaporate. It has been said before, but the best thing the fans could do, is raise the money to alter the track.

 

There were and still are a lot of helpful volunteers at Beaumont Park. Quite a lot have left because of Hemsley. That time would be shared across a decent number of people. Ermolenko was the very first to go and then it just continued.

 

As for this raise the money, I find that disappointing in two aspects when people suggest that.

 

Firstly you wouldn't expect any business to get it's customer to pay for the business' mistake.

 

Secondarily, there were volunteers/fans who helped build the 'stadium' under Hemsley's direction. It would be particularly gutting to hear that they would be expected to put money down in order to correct the track. All those hours being considered a loss.

 

We can moan about the track all day long - regardless of how it's dressed up, it's a considerable chunk of money. What is more worrying is the recent news of falling out with sponsors, issues with the tractor hire etc. etc. That suggests a cashflow issue. Didn't Hemsley dismiss the woman who did the books recently?

Edited June 18, 2013 by Hazzman