Halifaxtiger Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) The Leicester promoter should be thanked for keeping Speedway alive in Leicester...go and talk to him face to face about your grievances and not on here! The question on that is what sort of reaction he would get when he does. I have had two reactions from critical remarks made on here from members of the speedway establishment (for want of a better term) when I have seen them. One was an abusive rant, completely brushing aside what I was saying (despite the fact that every single person I have spoken to subsequently agreed with me). The other - from King's Lynn's Dale Allitt - was a calm, reasoned and fair response which I accepted and commented on at the time. If it is likely that you would get the first, what is the point in raising it ? Edited May 7, 2013 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 The Leicester promoter should be thanked for keeping Speedway alive in Leicester...go and talk to him face to face about your grievances and not on here! Isn't it what the forum is for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim the whipper Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 The Leicester promoter should be thanked for keeping Speedway alive in Leicester...go and talk to him face to face about your grievances and not on here! absolutely correct , and I went to the bank this morning and set up a direct debit to him for £40 a week to thank him . others have shown their gratitude by buying season tickets , The difference is those with season tickets feel obliged to turn up week after week to watch the processions since that is the object of a season ticket , where mine being a charitable donation I can simply go and watch speedway RACING elsewhere safe in the knowledge that speedway such as it is ,is alive in Leicester thanks to the Leicester Promoters , 3 ,I think at the moment unless there are more Idiot lorry drivers who have come on board recently 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glennylion Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 It may be an admirable approach but with the chopping and changing at other clubs then the reality is that a reserve who is doing well but is sharing will always seek pastures new and Lions (in this instance) will always then get left with the more underperforming reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandersome Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 It may be an admirable approach but with the chopping and changing at other clubs then the reality is that a reserve who is doing well but is sharing will always seek pastures new and Lions (in this instance) will always then get left with the more underperforming reserve. what if Branford originally came in because Blackbird wanted away. The start marshall has alluded to that being the reason on facebook and i've heard it off a few others as well. Blackbird can't gate well enough for BP as no-one can overtake around BP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 what if Branford originally came in because Blackbird wanted away. The start marshall has alluded to that being the reason on facebook and i've heard it off a few others as well. Blackbird can't gate well enough for BP as no-one can overtake around BP. So why Branford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckTaylor64 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 The Leicester promoter should be thanked for keeping Speedway alive in Leicester...go and talk to him face to face about your grievances and not on here! He won't keep it alive much longer if the track isn't improved! Until it is I'm not parting with my cash! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 He won't keep it alive much longer if the track isn't improved! Until it is I'm not parting with my cash! I think alot of people wont part with anymore cash until things are changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 What was in the programme notes last night? Next weeks will be interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 What was in the programme notes last night? Next weeks will be interesting Maybe next weeks programme notes will be to welcome a new rider to Leicester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 thank god that this post was rescued from dropping off the front page. long may it carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Another night of NON racing, its now time the promotion made serious changes or put it up for sale before the sport is completely finnished in leicester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 (edited) Another night of NON racing, its now time the promotion made serious changes or put it up for sale before the sport is completely finnished in leicester. that'll be again then...? ffs, there are one or two 'precious' folk down leicester way isn't there?? guess what, most tracks have a 'bit rubbish' racing compared to what we the fans perceive to be 'great'.. most races at most tracks allow you to fill your programme in after the second bend on the first lap... been that way for donkeys years... leicester have a speedway team, their fans can choose not to support it (as is their right), however ultimately that means it will close.. and that means IF they find a buyer to take it on they will still have the same track unless 'someone' pays out shedloads to change it (good luck with that in the present economic climate) .. the chance to build a 'somerset' or a 'scunthorpe' wasnt taken at the outset, therefore just accept it as the way it is.... processional racing is available most nights of the week around the country if you ever get 'bored'... Edited May 19, 2013 by mikebv 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandersome Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 (edited) that'll be again then...? ffs, there are one or two 'precious' folk down leicester way isn't there?? guess what, most tracks have a 'bit rubbish' racing compared to what we the fans perceive to be 'great'.. most races at most tracks allow you to fill your programme in after the second bend on the first lap... been that way for donkeys years... It may seem 'precious' but i honestly believe there is a difference between the dull racing we get a BP and the dull racing that you might see at another track. I was talking to my Uncle about this earlier today and we both agreed that on Saturday night Lasse Bjerre provided the perfect example of why that is. He was faster than riders in front of him all night. I don't mean he was a bit quicker, he was MILES quicker. Unfortunately as quick as he was he couldn't find a way past the rider in front. This again would have been OK if the rider in front was blocking his run or riding defensively but nobody needs to do that at BP. The riders in front of him were just armchair riding their line. To go around them he was carrying too much speed and just ran out of corner to complete the manouvre (i think he hit the fence a couple of times) and the inside line just left him having to slow up too much in the cut back. There is literally no way by. By the fourth lap of most races he seemed to have given it up as either a waste of time or else not worth the seemingly increasing chance it would all end in tears for him, his bike or both. That's the issue i can't get around. It's nothing to do with the issue of whether you can fill in your programme after the second bend of the first lap. There was plenty of dirt down on saturday as there was the week before so you can't really blame the slickness or not of the track. The excitement we get each week is the thrill that someone has actually passed someone (or more usually not as the case may be) without having the huge accident that almost always looks likely to happen. Hand on heart neither of us have seen this in speedway before at any track. It's just not right. I've been going to Speedway since 1980 and followed Leicester, Long Eaton & Peterborough. When i followed Long Eaton i used to go to 40/50+ meetings a year home and away. My Uncle has been going regularly to Speedway since 1968. I don't think we're alone in those views either and i'm sure that's the issue most people have. If you've not been and witnessed it then it's probably hard to understand what i'm trying to convey. As far as i see it with such huge straights the riders all carry way too much speed for the bends. We did see a decent meeting last week against Ipswich though. The track was wet to the point of being waterlogged and with the racing slowed down by 3 seconds odd a race it gave us passing in places we've never seen before in two and half years. The track actually worked. The problem i'd see with providing that kind of racetrack each week is that we'd have half of them called off by the ref before they started. This is my effort at a reply that is not trying to be precious or righteous or whatever else you might be trying to convey me as. Edited May 20, 2013 by volty 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 as a Ipswich fan I've been 3 times to bp. The first time I really enjoyed the meeting as it was a brand new venue with decent facility's and there was a novelty factor. Because you are nearer the action like pboro it seems faster and more exciting. I believe Berwick were in town that night. Next time Ipswich were riding and I enjoyed the away win but there was a lack of passing despite having bjerre riding for us. Third and probably my final meeting was a individual after the gp. Slick dusty track with no passing. Before bp opened many people would have been tempted to go as its sat night action at a track which is easy to get to. Many neutral supporters would go if the racing was decent. I won't again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Before bp opened many people would have been tempted to go as its sat night action at a track which is easy to get to. Many neutral supporters would go if the racing was decent. I won't again. That's why it's such a shame that a good racing track wasn't built in the first place. I've always said the track is more important than facilities and I'd be quite happy to stand on a grassy bank with no 'stands' or seating if the racing wasn't processional. Those who are critical are not just doing it for the heck of it - they truly care how this has all turned out after waiting 28 years for speedway to return to Leicester. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) It may seem 'precious' but i honestly believe there is a difference between the dull racing we get a BP and the dull racing that you might see at another track. I was talking to my Uncle about this earlier today and we both agreed that on Saturday night Lasse Bjerre provided the perfect example of why that is. He was faster than riders in front of him all night. I don't mean he was a bit quicker, he was MILES quicker. Unfortunately as quick as he was he couldn't find a way past the rider in front. This again would have been OK if the rider in front was blocking his run or riding defensively but nobody needs to do that at BP. The riders in front of him were just armchair riding their line. To go around them he was carrying too much speed and just ran out of corner to complete the manouvre (i think he hit the fence a couple of times) and the inside line just left him having to slow up too much in the cut back. There is literally no way by. By the fourth lap of most races he seemed to have given it up as either a waste of time or else not worth the seemingly increasing chance it would all end in tears for him, his bike or both. That's the issue i can't get around. It's nothing to do with the issue of whether you can fill in your programme after the second bend of the first lap. There was plenty of dirt down on saturday as there was the week before so you can't really blame the slickness or not of the track. The excitement we get each week is the thrill that someone has actually passed someone (or more usually not as the case may be) without having the huge accident that almost always looks likely to happen. Hand on heart neither of us have seen this in speedway before at any track. It's just not right. I've been going to Speedway since 1980 and followed Leicester, Long Eaton & Peterborough. When i followed Long Eaton i used to go to 40/50+ meetings a year home and away. My Uncle has been going regularly to Speedway since 1968. I don't think we're alone in those views either and i'm sure that's the issue most people have. If you've not been and witnessed it then it's probably hard to understand what i'm trying to convey. As far as i see it with such huge straights the riders all carry way too much speed for the bends. We did see a decent meeting last week against Ipswich though. The track was wet to the point of being waterlogged and with the racing slowed down by 3 seconds odd a race it gave us passing in places we've never seen before in two and half years. The track actually worked. The problem i'd see with providing that kind of racetrack each week is that we'd have half of them called off by the ref before they started. This is my effort at a reply that is not trying to be precious or righteous or whatever else you might be trying to convey me as. Lets compare the promotors of the tracks above,who would you have running leicester speedway,tony mole,rick frost or david hemsley ? Edited May 20, 2013 by robert72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Lion Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Before bp opened many people would have been tempted to go as its sat night action at a track which is easy to get to. Many neutral supporters would go if the racing was decent. I won't again. I said this probably over a year ago, but it's equally valid now. Leicester should be the second team/track for fans from other Midlands tracks, fans who don't care too much about the result, provided the racing is entertaining. It simply isn't. Fans from Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Peterborough, even Coventry etc don't come to BP because the on-track entertainment is just not worth it. It's an important revenue stream that has been lost. As Mr Darcy said, it's only fifteen quid so if you don't like it you haven't lost much. But if fans don't come back the promotion loses plenty more. Some Lions fans will tolerate, and even defend, the extremely poor racing because the team is winning, and for them that's the main thing. Some take the view that we should just be grateful that we have speedway, and will ignore the lack of entertainment. That's their choice. I think there are some Lions fans who really know nothing better. Many others - the dissenting voices - see the bigger picture. Crowds aren't as large as they were, and that's with a team that generally wins at home. If the team starts losing, crowds will drop. It's blatantly obvious that the promotion isn't flush with money, and smaller crowds must endanger the future of the speedway. Eventually, this promotion, or the next one, simply must do something radical to the track to improve the racing and increase the crowds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 there is a wind up stopwatch on ebay for sale. one careful owner, only been used 4 times. bargain,, this is NOT a wind up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedwayTShirts Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Maybe getting DH on the BIKERfm Speedway Show would be a good idea with the opportunity for fans to ask questions over the phone or send in messages and questions? Having read this thread in its entirety to date it seems most people's opinions is the straights are too long for the tight corners and the costs with drainage are prohibitive to moving the bends in. A suggestion could be to only move one bend in to half the costs, bends 3 & 4. If you would like us to approach DH to come on the show to answer your questions we can set that up? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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