rgcumming Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Berwicks lack of a number 1 and a rider you can count on in the big heats costs them and im sure it wont be the last meeting it happens. That's a great point. Ashworths average masks his current standing amongst number 1s in the league. On paper he is up there with the best but in reality when the chips are down and you need to count on your top man to bag points he has struggled so far this year. Hopefully just a blip but in upcoming meetings I can't see him anywhere near Cook or Stead. Catastrophic collapse on paper tonight but overall a decent cup tie over two legs. Micky Dyer must be the signing of the season. I love our kevlars though so not bitter.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Or a Worky fan either. Why , one point defeat away from home, as with the League and in matches its how you finish not how you start!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Micky Dyer must be the signing of the season. I love our kevlars though so not bitter.... Those kevlars are gonna look good in the upcoming Sky meeting. A home defeat in front of tens of thousands won't! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 According to updates a lot of races were FTG cant believe Bandits managed to lead good effort from them if we had got a 5 1 in the last race people would have said it was a good result.But considering we got a present of a 5 0 maybe not great comeback from the Bears all the best for the next round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch Me If You Can Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 A very poor performance in the home leg came back to haunt us tonight , but after been so far ahead we should have been able to put this one to bed , this is an absolute shocker :mad: Agree Reading the updates at looks like the loss of Kus early on helped Redcar (hope he ok though) Dyer then stepped in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 According to updates a lot of races were FTG cant believe Bandits managed to lead good effort from them if we had got a 5 1 in the last race people would have said it was a good result.But considering we got a present of a 5 0 maybe not great comeback from the Bears all the best for the next round. The turning point was the injury to Kus. Dyers two reserve rides scored 6 points. Ok, I'll take it that Dyer could've possibly have replaced Kus in 13, but even so, doubtful Kus would've made much impact in heat 11. No idea as to the extent of his injuries. Would he have taken his last two rides if Redcar had 2 out of form reserves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Berwicks lack of a number 1 and a rider you can count on in the big heats costs them and im sure it wont be the last meeting it happens. Ashworths recent career, and form last season show as fact that he is a “Number 1” he is as “Number a 1” as you are likely to get at PL level, and has actually won plenty of “big heats”. His score last night is out of character rather than the norm, first meeting back since a pretty heavy off, as well as the addition that he is just racing his first few meetings back anyway after a heavy injury last year, possibly he wasn’t 100%, I wouldn’t know (some may be critical if he wasn’t, although some may praise Ashworths commitment to the cause). Berwick seem to have done everything in their power to chuck this tie away, at home and away, same time though, fair play Redcar, that’s a hell of an effort. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 On the face of it this was a far better performance from Berwick,in truth the tie was lost last saturday at Shielfield.Credit though to the Bears on their win and the best of luck to them for the rest of the competition. Questions must surely be being asked by the Berwick management as to how you can be 15pts up half way through the meeting yet go on to lose.True,the withdrawal of Kus gave a very impressive Dyer extra rides,but Berwick seem to cave in in the second half of the meeting. More "butt kicking" needed IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Love Berwick fans moaning about a lack of number one - Ostergaard has won ONE race so far this season LOL - Bears are a three man Aussie team - Kus is shocking, but Wilkinson is hardly any better. Fingers crossed, Micky, Skiddy and Aaron keep it up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Or a Worky fan either. The beauty of Redcar's victory is that they did it without being able to resort to the artificial joker Even in the days of the good old tactical substitute, I always felt that a home team should not be allowed to resort to such changes. All credit to the Bears - a backs-to-the-wall victory. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 The thing is though I'd imagine Ulrich and Matej will either find form or be dropped by the time we return there in the league. I think Cook Stead Barker and Doyley are the No1's this year. Ricky is an 8 point rider who can hold his own at No1. Does that class him as a No1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I think its time Wilko and Kus were shown the door. Cant believe this is the same Matej Kus who turned up at Newport and beat Gjedde by a straight on his first ride at the track - I thought he was the real deal. Going to the same way as Sitera, can only suggest something in his head isnt right. Replace Wilkinson and Kus with solid scorers and redcar will be a tidy team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) Ashworths average, of 8.84, that figure would see him lining up as number 1 at every club in the country bar Poole, Glasgow, Ipswich, Plymouth, Somerset, Sheffield and Rye (and three of the sides have assessed riders at number 1). Yes, he is a number 1. Edited April 19, 2013 by wjm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Perhaps if Ricky was not 100% we should have used a Guest in such an important fixture .There again perhaps he was ok who knows.At the end of the day we are out of the KO Cup good luck to Redcar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmiddlesbrough Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Love Berwick fans moaning about a lack of number one - Ostergaard has won ONE race so far this season LOL - Bears are a three man Aussie team - Kus is shocking, but Wilkinson is hardly any better. Fingers crossed, Micky, Skiddy and Aaron keep it up! Just to add to this, why is it that every team seems to think they have a god given right to win here at Redcar ? Ok we are carrying a few riders at the moment but it doesn't mean we are a push over. With a result like last nite if I was a travelling fan from Berwick I would of been quite pleased with such a close result, the track has been totally crap the last few weeks but it did atleast throw up a few good races last night. Comments on kus Facebook page read "sack me or the track man" so make of that what you will but I'm unsure how long we can carry 2 or 3 riders like we have been, I was a big fan of kus when he came here as he always reminded me of mad dog Martin Dixon with his phsyco riding skills but for some time now kus has gone backwards. Dyer ? What can I say ? Best reserve in the league and probably havelocks best ever signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Ashworths average, of 8.84, that figure would see him lining up as number 1 at every club in the country bar Poole, Glasgow, Ipswich, Plymouth, Somerset, Sheffield and Rye (and three of the sides have assessed riders at number 1). Yes, he is a number 1. He may be a rider riding at number 1 in a team but when it comes to the crunch heats where you need a 3-3 would you put your money on him to do it time and time again home and away? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Ricky is an 8 point rider who can hold his own at No1. Does that class him as a No1 Erm, yes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) He may be a rider riding at number 1 in a team but when it comes to the crunch heats where you need a 3-3 would you put your money on him to do it time and time again home and away? Meetings that have happened and averages come in handy for things like that. He doesn’t just have a number 1 on his back his scores are those of a Number 1, I refer to my earlier post, his figure 8.84 is a “Number 1” figure at the majority of tracks in the country in both the EL and PL, only Ward and Holder carried higher RA averages in the EL last season than that figure, I don’t consider the EL to only have 2 riders who I would class as a “Number 1”. Would I put money on him against a guy like Barker, Doyle or Cook home and away, probably not, because the split would be pretty equal, and thus it wouldn’t be a safe bet either way. Around Berwick I would say you would be speaking 60/40 when it comes to Ashworth v Barker, and pretty comparable around, previously Plymouth, or now, Ipswich, the margins are pretty fine when it comes to one off races between the better riders in the PL. Edited April 19, 2013 by wjm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 We also have to remember he is coming back from injury and had a tonne of gremlins, along with a big spill at Glasgow. The best bet of the lot is that he will be back to form soon, and will be hard to beat at most places. Incredible some of the things you read on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 So if Ricky is a No1 on a 8.84 what does that make Barker Doyle and Cook who must of been pushing on 10. Ricky's average I reckon will drop 0.5 this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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