Leicester V Redcar 20th April

[justathought]

Hey the suns shining. What better way to spend an evening than watching some Speedway.

[robert72]

Hey the suns shining. What better way to spend an evening than watching some Speedway.

 

Delayed start time then

[The White Knight]

Delayed start time then

 

Cynic.

[jenga]

could Redcar pull off an away win, of course they can now that there is no kus to drag the team down .. welcome to Redcar Mr Sanchez.. that will get them talking..

Edited April 20, 2013 by jenga

[mikebaker]

could Redcar pull off an away win, of course they can now that there is no kus to drag the team down .. welcome to Redcar Mr Sanchez.. that will get them talking..

Kus is riding so hopefully will start to perform. Sanchez would not come back to Redcar. He could not wait to get away from the place in 2010.

[40-38]

Well my night was rather spoilt by the verbals I got off a Redcar "fan" for cheering Lewis Blackbird past their faltering tac sub.

[robert72]

Good win but that was the same crap racing as we have seen since it opened,the only passes were due to 2 mistakes,its time Hemsley sold up for the sake of leicester speedway.

[Harman]

Kus is riding so hopefully will start to perform. Sanchez would not come back to Redcar. He could not wait to get away from the place in 2010.

Kus is riding so hopefully will start to perform. Sanchez would not come back to Redcar. He could not wait to get away from the place in 2010.

The reason is probably more that Sheffield wont release him, just in case they need him I think Sanchez would go back to Redcar he did well in 2010.

[Leicester Lion]

Good win but that was the same crap racing as we have seen since it opened,the only passes were due to 2 mistakes,its time Hemsley sold up for the sake of leicester speedway.

But those track alterations were supposed to have made the racing so much better.

[wandersome]

Well my night was rather spoilt by the verbals I got off a Redcar "fan" for cheering Lewis Blackbird past their faltering tac sub.

 

Unfortunately, My night was rather spoilt by the track being absolutley awful!. No overtaking whatsoever. That's two weeks running. The only 'pass' tonight i can remember was when Skidmore went wide. The fact that Dyer on a double appeared to be actually really struggling to find a line past Skidmore says it all. How can expect to see any overtaking when riders of the same team are struggling to let their teammates by when they are under no pressure from opposing riders.

 

Amazed at David Hemsley's programme notes tonight. To say people complaining on the internet are seeking to damage Leicester Speedway is, in my view, a joke. He did mention the customer questionnaire last season and mentioned they had done their best to pick up on the top three recurring issues at BP. I can't believe the track came only fourth as an issue but it clearly must have!

 

anyways, 180 post 1st/2nd bend laps, 0 genuine 1st/2nd bend passes

 

Good to see Simon Nielsen do the business in his last two rides. Looked like his confidence to get involved returned after his spill. Great to see Doolan keeping up his return to form.

Edited April 20, 2013 by volty

[Lions12]

Now I'm not hear to defend Leicester's track shape or the track changes, but I would like to offer a different opinion to the same-old 'the poor racing is solely down to the track shape'. After watching tonight's racing, I would say that our riders and the majority of riders in the league are the actual reason for the lack of passing at BP, no rider is prepared to move off that inside line, there is no attempt to try something different. Generally speaking, Leicester's riders (Nieminen, Karlsson, Nielsen, Graversen) aren't racers, they're gaters, and when behind make little or no impression regardless of the track. One example tonight, heat 13, Nemo at the back, did a lap of going wider and was gaining ground on Summers, but then went back to the inside line, lost all momentum and was back to where he started. Bjerre proved earlier on in the season that it is possible to build some sort of momentum throughout a race when he passed and beat Palm Tree Toft on the last bend.

 

Also, I think Leicester could actually benefit from some sort of home track advantage that they keep going on about (which at the moment is just gate) if they were prepared to move off the inside line when behind as there is a line to go round if you're prepared to attack it all race, not just the odd lap or so. If you've ever been to Sheffield you'll have seen that as a meeting develops the home riders venture further than away riders and regularly overtake (yes it is easier to do at Sheffield I realise). I just think that the blame can't solely be the track, and that if we had more aggressive riders throughout the team we would see more overtaking as they gain confidence on the track and realise that there is another line that isn't the white one

[Long Eye]

Now I'm not hear to defend Leicester's track shape or the track changes, but I would like to offer a different opinion to the same-old 'the poor racing is solely down to the track shape'. After watching tonight's racing, I would say that our riders and the majority of riders in the league are the actual reason for the lack of passing at BP, no rider is prepared to move off that inside line, there is no attempt to try something different. Generally speaking, Leicester's riders (Nieminen, Karlsson, Nielsen, Graversen) aren't racers, they're gaters, and when behind make little or no impression regardless of the track. One example tonight, heat 13, Nemo at the back, did a lap of going wider and was gaining ground on Summers, but then went back to the inside line, lost all momentum and was back to where he started. Bjerre proved earlier on in the season that it is possible to build some sort of momentum throughout a race when he passed and beat Palm Tree Toft on the last bend.

 

Also, I think Leicester could actually benefit from some sort of home track advantage that they keep going on about (which at the moment is just gate) if they were prepared to move off the inside line when behind as there is a line to go round if you're prepared to attack it all race, not just the odd lap or so. If you've ever been to Sheffield you'll have seen that as a meeting develops the home riders venture further than away riders and regularly overtake (yes it is easier to do at Sheffield I realise). I just think that the blame can't solely be the track, and that if we had more aggressive riders throughout the team we would see more overtaking as they gain confidence on the track and realise that there is another line that isn't the white one

 

Wow!! Can you be team manager please? You could transform the team with advice and knowledge like that.

[wandersome]

Now I'm not hear to defend Leicester's track shape or the track changes, but I would like to offer a different opinion to the same-old 'the poor racing is solely down to the track shape'. After watching tonight's racing, I would say that our riders and the majority of riders in the league are the actual reason for the lack of passing at BP, no rider is prepared to move off that inside line, there is no attempt to try something different. Generally speaking, Leicester's riders (Nieminen, Karlsson, Nielsen, Graversen) aren't racers, they're gaters, and when behind make little or no impression regardless of the track. One example tonight, heat 13, Nemo at the back, did a lap of going wider and was gaining ground on Summers, but then went back to the inside line, lost all momentum and was back to where he started. Bjerre proved earlier on in the season that it is possible to build some sort of momentum throughout a race when he passed and beat Palm Tree Toft on the last bend.

 

Also, I think Leicester could actually benefit from some sort of home track advantage that they keep going on about (which at the moment is just gate) if they were prepared to move off the inside line when behind as there is a line to go round if you're prepared to attack it all race, not just the odd lap or so. If you've ever been to Sheffield you'll have seen that as a meeting develops the home riders venture further than away riders and regularly overtake (yes it is easier to do at Sheffield I realise). I just think that the blame can't solely be the track, and that if we had more aggressive riders throughout the team we would see more overtaking as they gain confidence on the track and realise that there is another line that isn't the white one

 

I would have thought if there was another line then the riders would be trying it all the time and being successful some of the time. On every occasion i see riders move off 'the line' they appear to be generally heading in a backwards direction or at best making making no impression at all, which is basically the issue i have with track. I have to say i haven't seen a rewarding line to go round if a rider is prepared to attack all race although i'm not saying it doesn't exist.. its just i've never seen it in 3 years of watching. I didn't see Nemo making any useful ground up on Summers in that race and even if he caught up with him i couldnt see how he would possibly have got by without Summers making a mistake.

As much as i enjoyed that Bjerre/Palm Toft race, I would also point out that your example involves a home heat leader spending a whole race to reel in a 5.00 second string who ended up going wide under pressure thus allowing Bjerre past.

 

I don't think the track deserves any good will at all.

Edited April 20, 2013 by volty

[Lions12]

I would have thought if there was another line then the riders would be trying it all the time and being successful some of the time. On every occasion i see riders move off 'the line' they appear to be generally heading in a backwards direction or at best making making no impression at all, which is basically the issue i have with track. I have to say i haven't seen a rewarding line to go round if a rider is prepared to attack all race although i'm not saying it doesn't exist.. its just i've never seen it in 3 years of watching. I didn't see Nemo making any useful ground up on Summers in that race and even if he caught up with him i couldnt see how he would possibly have got by without Summers making a mistake.

As much as i enjoyed that Bjerre/Palm Toft race, I would also point out that your example involves a home heat leader spending a whole race to reel in a 5.00 second string who ended up going wide under pressure thus allowing Bjerre past.

 

I don't think the track deserves any good will at all.

 

You would think they would try to go wider, but from where I watch on the back straight it is possible to see the exact line the riders take into the 3rd corner, and in pretty much every race tonight and since 2011, they all take the same line into the corner, there have only been a few riders over the seasons that have actually tried a wider line on a 'regular' basis, Bjerre, Hall, Barker and Cook off the top of my head, all who have passed around BP and made the racing more entertaining, but there aren't many more, maybe Ashworth on the odd occasion. Yes it is a difficult track to pass on and there is no denying that, but I just feel that if riders did move a bit wider with control on a line which doesn't chuck them out to the fence on the 4th turn, then the racing could at least be a bit more entertaining, even if it doesn't mean a whole load of overtaking. Ok, so maybe Nemo wasn't making tons of ground, but he did seem to be edging closer and MAY have made an impression if he stuck with it for all 4 laps. Fair point but Palm Toft is still a very capable rider despite only a 5 point average.

 

Even if there is still no extra passing, at least seeing the possibility of an overtake and a closer race is more entertaining than 4 riders taking the same line for 4 laps

 

I've seen some cracking races at Sheffield over the last two years at various meetings where actually there has been no overtakes all race yet the riders have been that close to one another that I've been on edge shouting and cheering and it being really exciting

Edited April 20, 2013 by Lions12

[wandersome]

Even if there is still no extra passing, at least seeing the possibility of an overtake and a closer race is more entertaining than 4 riders taking the same line for 4 laps

 

I have to say every rider i've seen take it wider ends up lengths further back than he started. Pretty much every pass that i've seen at BP involves the leading rider making a mistake and going off line or else having considerably less speed that the man behind, and i mean considerably.

 

Surely the obvious answer to all this would be to actually make some meaningful changes to the track though. I think you're skirting around the edges of the problem to make excuses of the riders and not the track. The track is dreadful. Rather than make threats about pulling the plug if people don't turn up and blaming the likes of me for harming Leicester Speedway It's about time he stood back, had a reality check and finally figured out what it is that's causing the discontent among the supporters.

Edited April 21, 2013 by volty

[Lions12]

I wouldn't say I'm skirting, I just don't want to be too harsh and critical. I'm not saying you don't, far from it, but I would like Leicester speedway to be successful, it's the local club and I'd rather have it than not, I just wish it was a bit more entertaining! Yes the track isn't right, and Bydgoszcz rather showed Leicester up tonight. When the changes were made the first thing we said when we saw them was "is that it!?" And with all the land not being used, yes there were other plans at the start, but every time we walk up now, with the benefit of hindsight, we always say "why couldn't we have had a Bydgoszcz or a gorzow or a torun" I just think maybe a bit more commitment and fight from the riders when behind wouldn't go amiss

[robert72]

I wouldn't say I'm skirting, I just don't want to be too harsh and critical. I'm not saying you don't, far from it, but I would like Leicester speedway to be successful, it's the local club and I'd rather have it than not, I just wish it was a bit more entertaining! Yes the track isn't right, and Bydgoszcz rather showed Leicester up tonight. When the changes were made the first thing we said when we saw them was "is that it!?" And with all the land not being used, yes there were other plans at the start, but every time we walk up now, with the benefit of hindsight, we always say "why couldn't we have had a Bydgoszcz or a gorzow or a torun" I just think maybe a bit more commitment and fight from the riders when behind wouldn't go amiss

You are seriously wrong,because even if GP riders were to race at BP then it would still be the same result, the track shape is all wrong FACT.

 

Hemsley has messed it up, he tried to fool fans by saying track changes have been made,video evidence soon came out and showed he clipped the edges,no real difference to the track or the dire racing. Also toilet block with 3 urinals,he is out of his depth as a promotor,its his way or no way doesnt work as proven.

 

Time he listened to experts or sold up for the sake of leicester speedway

[barrow boy]

 

 

Delayed start time then

Wrong again

[Shadders]

Leicester had a great opportunity to construct the best track in British speedway, and ballsed it up big time. No amount of tinkering around the edges can change that. The only way is to knock it down and start again. That ain't gonna happen.

Such a shame

[wandersome]

I've seen some cracking races at Sheffield over the last two years at various meetings where actually there has been no overtakes all race yet the riders have been that close to one another that I've been on edge shouting and cheering and it being really exciting

 

in this sentence, i think you sum up all the issues with the track perfectly. It the opportunity to overtake that is important and that's what we don't get at BP. Its Never happened in 3 years, never will.

 

Leicester had a great opportunity to construct the best track in British speedway, and ballsed it up big time. No amount of tinkering around the edges can change that. The only way is to knock it down and start again. That ain't gonna happen.

Such a shame

 

Not strictly true. All we need is more lines in the corner that allow overtaking. That is the basic premise of the sport, thats how it works. Doesn't matter what shape the track is as long as that simple premise is adhered to. Plently of people with experience as to what could be done have given advice but they have all been ignored in favour of the cheapest possible solutions which clearly don't/haven't worked. Those changes are a laughing stock. It does need extensive alteration to the bends but i've heard that the cost would be around £6-8k and a week of work. These might not work either but at least it's then got a chance. In it's place we get £200 worth of changes, a track that's as crap as its ever been, a promoter that will tell anyone who will listen that no track problems exist, that it's all good. And then blaming any discontent on the belief that there is a personal vendetta against him. What do you do. Head, Sand springs to mind.

Edited April 21, 2013 by volty