Berwick V Edinburgh (league Cup) 20/4/13 @ 7pm

[wjm]

The loan fee for Dyer, based on the BSPA guidelines, based on his average, would have been covered by a couple of families each week on the turnstile.

 

I was only factoring in loan fee, there could of course be other contributing factors, Dyer was evidently going to be in more of a demand than Edberg was over the winter, thus could have been in a decent position when it came to brokering a deal (I wouldn’t want to speculate, but there are always other factors).

 

 

But Doyle for Aspegren and Barker for Ashworth doesnt fit obviously and they didnt race for Berwick last season - Dyer did!

 

In fairness as much as I like Robin, he wont average much more than what Sanchez would, hes a very up and down rider.

 

If someone said to me Sanchez and Dyer or Aspegren and Edberg, id go for the first option everytime . Dyers ability to score more than Edberg would more than make up for my disappointment of Sanchez for Aspegren.

 

I dont see why your mentioning Sanchez anyhow... Dyer for edberg would of fitted!!

 

Dyer for Edberg would have fitted in terms of points, I am questioning, thinking of outside factors such as cost, which may have meant it didn’t fit in terms of business plan.

 

I use Sanchez (just as a speculative example) of a rider who could have been seen as a cheaper alternative option to Aspegen, thus to make Dyer affordable.

 

If, for example, the budget was say £100 per the points scored ( I have no clue what riders get paid just speculative figures to show my point).

 

You pay Dyer £60 (again, a guess) and Aspegren wants £60.00, you go over your £100.00 budget, and thus need to look at Sanchez as £40.00 replacement to take you within your £100.00.

 

Is it worth signing Dyer to miss out on Aspegren?

 

I am not convinced it is.

 

I am not saying this is what has happened either, but there are always contributing factors to why riders have, and haven’t signed for clubs.

 

Throw in the spanner in the works late on with Berwicks team building, you have another additional factor as to why the decision could have been made not to retain Dyer at an earlier date (despite his excellent form for Berwick, and form this season, I would say it is obviously appreciated that he is a talented rider).

Edited April 23, 2013 by wjm

[Boobs]

I think it is probable Berwick's early team declaration this autumn may have with hindsight worked against them and forced them to leave last year's loanee (Dyer) out of plans, as Edinburgh hadn't at that time announced a team and would almost certainly have not made a rider like Dyer available for loan until they were certain he was not required at Armadale.

 

The oft-hinted reason for his leaving Edinburgh wouldn't have prevented a hard-headed and experienced promoter like John Campbell from using him if he thought it best for the club's potential scoring.

 

I also note Berwick's repeated -- and approved by most onlookers -- determination to use club assets whenever possible.

 

This means it was only the decision of Sebastian Alden not to ride at PL level which has prevented two other assets (Alden and Albin) being in the declared final squad.

 

Last Saturday apart, Edberg appears to have had decent enough returns at Berwick for a second reserve (compare his scores to riders such as Davey at Redcar or Jacobs at Glasgow) and the witch-hunt against the lad appears to be misguided.

[bigeddiechek]

Alex will score well this weekend, and last week will be forgotten about.

 

The whole team does really need to pull out all the stops this weekend, and I'm sure they will.

[Arson fire]

 

The oft-hinted reason for his leaving Edinburgh wouldn't have prevented a hard-headed and experienced promoter like John Campbell from using him if he thought it best for the club's potential scoring.

 

finding riders willing to ride with him might have been a problem though.

[Backless]

I'm fairly sure that Dyer wouldn't have been in Edinburgh's team plans, unless they were planning a radical rebuilding based around him.

 

This week's performance from Berwick may well be important, and naturally, as is the way of such things, it's against Sheffield. I don't think Ashworth against his old team (if he's fit) will be the talking point this time.

 

With Stead injured as well, perhaps the first race to be won will be securing the services of a guest if necessary. Advantage Berwick - Edinburgh have no meeting on Saturday.

[Teal]

7 riders make up a team! 7 riders pull together to win meetings! The fact thats constantly being overlooked is this....the whole team aren't riding their best ( with exception of bellago, who's shown moments of genius)

Why aren't you all moaning about aspregen & smiths lack of consistency??

If I told you their family pay for something to do with the bandits would you begin to criticise!???

 

(no rumour mongering here btw, was merely an example to highlight the point)

 

Here's a little score sheet to ponder

 

bandits vs bears

 

Smith-4

Aspregen-4

Edberg-4+2

 

Whats the excuses then? An off night?? Much like Alex was most likely having on Sat! Give the guy a break!

 

 

 

 

Edited April 23, 2013 by Teal

[screm]

Most of you are missing the point. Of course it's nobody's business but Alex's dad and the promotion that they have an "arrangement" over bonus points. What you should be focusing on is if this is the reason Alex is in the 2013 starting line up at the expense of Mikey Dyer, clearly a more talented rider, and could be the difference between havering a successful season and one that's over in June

 

If Berwick decided to loan out Edberg for the 2013 season,that loan money couldve gone to Edinburgh for Dyer,but Berwick went with one of their own.Personally Im happy we went with Edberg,what we need now of course is to see Alex do it where it counts most,on track.He is capable of hitting big scores at home but needs to produce away from Shielfield to,and no amount of postings on social networking sites will do that.

 

A big score this saturday and a metaphorical up yours to his doubters is whats needed.

[Pinny]

I was only factoring in loan fee, there could of course be other contributing factors, Dyer was evidently going to be in more of a demand than Edberg was over the winter, thus could have been in a decent position when it came to brokering a deal (I wouldn’t want to speculate, but there are always other factors).

 

 

 

 

Dyer for Edberg would have fitted in terms of points, I am questioning, thinking of outside factors such as cost, which may have meant it didn’t fit in terms of business plan.

 

I use Sanchez (just as a speculative example) of a rider who could have been seen as a cheaper alternative option to Aspegen, thus to make Dyer affordable.

 

If, for example, the budget was say £100 per the points scored ( I have no clue what riders get paid just speculative figures to show my point).

 

You pay Dyer £60 (again, a guess) and Aspegren wants £60.00, you go over your £100.00 budget, and thus need to look at Sanchez as £40.00 replacement to take you within your £100.00.

 

Is it worth signing Dyer to miss out on Aspegren?

 

I am not convinced it is.

 

I am not saying this is what has happened either, but there are always contributing factors to why riders have, and haven’t signed for clubs.

 

Throw in the spanner in the works late on with Berwicks team building, you have another additional factor as to why the decision could have been made not to retain Dyer at an earlier date (despite his excellent form for Berwick, and form this season, I would say it is obviously appreciated that he is a talented rider).

 

You maybe right... however I doubt very much Dyer was demanding what Aspegren is getting .

 

Is Edberg always based in Berwick then, as if he is based in Sweden and flys in each week thats hardly cheap for a 4.00 rider.

 

His current 4 home 2 away figure is 3.83. Hardly impressive.

 

Compare that to Dyers figure of 7.44 from 3 home and 4 away.

 

I know Berwick have had financial troubles and were on the verge of closing but you must look at it from the other side... would another season of mid to bottom table improve crowd figures? Theyve lost two at home already - will their new sponsors be impressed enough to stay for a second season?

 

As stated it was unlikely Edinburgh were planning to use Dyer... he went to Berwick for a spell last season, impressed and on that starting figure he should of been recalled instead of one of the other reserves the Bandits now have.

 

It is therefore a huge cock up from Berwick going with Edberg instead of Dyer.

 

Edberg wont come cheap, Swedes never do.

 

As for the off night for Robin on Saturday, well as people have stated before thats what you get with him. Hes superb to watch when in full flight but can quite as easily have an off match and struggle, its the type of rider he is.

[screm]

Edberg flies in and out for Berwick meetings,as does Aspegren.Bellego and Barrett are the only two Berwick based riders.

[Pinny]

Edberg flies in and out for Berwick meetings,as does Aspegren.Bellego and Barrett are the only two Berwick based riders.

 

So its more than possible that considering both Dyer and Edberg were on roughly the same figure, Dyer would of been a cheaper option?

[Bandit59]

This is simple, Fredrik is simply a very generous man who cares about speedway, not only did he purchase the racesuits, but he is paying for the riders bonus points. He thought that not paying the bonus points and making team riders race against each other was a dangerous move.

I think a lot of clubs will have a benefactor or sponsor to make their bonus points up but will be keeping it quiet you dont want your own riders knocking each other about the track.

[Teal]

Albin should be in the team over Aspregen! We could discuss all day why certain folk ain't in the team.....it won't change out!

Get over it and get behind your 1-7!!!

 

[screm]

Albin should be in the team over Aspregen! We could discuss all day why certain folk ain't in the team.....it won't change out!

Get over it and get behind your 1-7!!!

 

We`d all like another rider in the team,Alden wouldve been in my 2013 team all day long,but I dont think changes are what is needed right now.Theres no rider out there who could come in right now with a view to a 1 in 1 out change,therefore it might take more than one change to get the desired effect and thats just not going to happen,rightly in my view.

[Normski]

Alex is basically a confidence rider saw him at glasgow where he did not have the best of days, speaking to him afterwards he admitted he does not like glasgow track yet last thursday at redcar was a different rider getting stuck in winning heat 2 in a decent time.Hopefully if ricky is not fit to ride this weekend we have time to get a guest which takes away the r/r situation which never seems to benefit us.

[freddyfivetoes]

Edberg flies in and out for Berwick meetings,as does Aspegren.Bellego and Barrett are the only two Berwick based riders.

 

That is correct. However, there are virtually no PL clubs who pay for even a star rider's flights these days, let alone a reserve.

 

Berwick are respected for having, and sticking to, a budget -- a business plan. Much the same as most of their their previous promotions, right back to the Taylor family, have done.

 

They have the smallest potential audience market in any of the three leagues, yet the club has made ends meet for 45 years.

 

It is possible -- probable even -- they will never win the PL, and if they do they won't have 'bought' it.

 

Be happy they are still offering Saturday night entertainment, featuring international sportsmen from all over the world in such a sparsely-populated area.

[bigeddiechek]

That is correct. However, there are virtually no PL clubs who pay for even a star rider's flights these days, let alone a reserve.

 

Berwick are respected for having, and sticking to, a budget -- a business plan. Much the same as most of their their previous promotions, right back to the Taylor family, have done.

 

They have the smallest potential audience market in any of the three leagues, yet the club has made ends meet for 45 years.

 

It is possible -- probable even -- they will never win the PL, and if they do they won't have 'bought' it.

 

Be happy they are still offering Saturday night entertainment, featuring international sportsmen from all over the world in such a sparsely-populated area.

 

Fantastic post.

Some people don't know how lucky we are.

[Heedthebaw]

 

 

That is correct. However, there are virtually no PL clubs who pay for even a star rider's flights these days, let alone a reserve.

 

Berwick are respected for having, and sticking to, a budget -- a business plan. Much the same as most of their their previous promotions, right back to the Taylor family, have done.

 

They have the smallest potential audience market in any of the three leagues, yet the club has made ends meet for 45 years.

 

It is possible -- probable even -- they will never win the PL, and if they do they won't have 'bought' it.

 

Be happy they are still offering Saturday night entertainment, featuring international sportsmen from all over the world in such a sparsely-populated area.

Absoloutly spot on ! Well said Mr Fivetoes

[screm]

Giving his performance last night at Wolverhampton,ex Bandit Robert Branford hasn't half given some PL promoters a nudge.

[Fromafar]

Giving his performance last night at Wolverhampton,ex Bandit Robert Branford hasn't half given some PL promoters a nudge.

Seems to have recovered well from his nasty injury.

[BigRackBandit]

Giving his performance last night at Wolverhampton,ex Bandit Robert Branford hasn't half given some PL promoters a nudge.

 

I recall him really riding his socks off for us on seemingly shan machinery on the the southern tour last year