havenagotahope Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 In reality it is matterless whether its about suits or bonus points the fact is that the fans could see that was not Alex riding and after his two crashes I wouldn't be watching far less sitting on a bike but as we all know if that is how he feels then he is either going to do himself further damage or someone else neither of which is acceptable and needs to be remedied before to long. Another worry is Ricky who may need some time to get back to himself do we make changes now or wait is the question? Fisher , Tressariu, Wolbert, North Sky awaits you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 In reality it is matterless whether its about suits or bonus points the fact is that the fans could see that was not Alex riding and after his two crashes I wouldn't be watching far less sitting on a bike but as we all know if that is how he feels then he is either going to do himself further damage or someone else neither of which is acceptable and needs to be remedied before to long. Another worry is Ricky who may need some time to get back to himself do we make changes now or wait is the question? Fisher , Tressariu, Wolbert, North Sky awaits you. Im quite happy to go with guests to cover Ashworth,Alden stepped in last week and theres no reason why the club shouldnt call on his services again. If there is a crisis of confidence with Edberg then it may be better for him and the club to stand down untill he finds his feet again,though how he goes about that is another matter,time on the bike would seem the natural thing but right now thats where the difficulty lies,and a ready replacement isnt obvious to me given the averages. To sum up Id stick with Edberg,and hope he comes through this by scoring points for Berwick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boobs Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) In respect of Ricky Ashworth, the obvious answer is to ask Seb to help out as a temporary "injury replacement"? He surely owes the club that much? Edited April 22, 2013 by Boobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairplay1 Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Oh for goodness sake have a word with yourself,I wouldnt know of any arrangement between our promotion and Edbergs dad,and in truth care even less.His Edbergs points or lack of that my main worry. Its you who should be having a word with your sh*t stirring pal in the little clock shop, i am pleased you dont care about any arrangements with Edbergs dad same as me on that point because it is none of my business or anyone elses but even you must realise if we are to stick with Alex casting aspertions like this will only dent the lads confidence even further. He needs the supporters behind him not on his back for what its worth i also thought Alex was pants on Saturday night but he dont need it rubbed in, leave him alone it will come back.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 I can't believe Alex is getting questioned, after one bad home meeting. He's taken some decent scalps this season already, not bad for his first few meetings back from injury. Riders should expect a bit of critical encouragement if they are having a bad one, that is the nature of being a sportsman. However, they shouldn't expect abuse. I didn't hear any, but it seems clear it occurred in some areas. My goodness, there is some crap on here mind. Taffy back trying to increase his appendage, I see.. Its you who should be having a word with your sh*t stirring pal in the little clock shop, i am pleased you dont care about any arrangements with Edbergs dad same as me on that point because it is none of my business or anyone elses but even you must realise if we are to stick with Alex casting aspertions like this will only dent the lads confidence even further. He needs the supporters behind him not on his back for what its worth i also thought Alex was pants on Saturday night but he dont need it rubbed in, leave him alone it will come back.. You did say clock, didn't you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msc1874 Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Early days. Let the team bed in and I think Berwick will be in the mix. Ashworth is a big loss, but with him back that team will win more than it loses at home. Away they certainly will compete. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alang Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Alex may not score a lot of points away from home but at home he can be more than capable of scoring well as he has done in the past(and also this year.If ,as other posts have said,he admitted to being scared on Saturday night then surely the question has to be why.His bike would be the same so it can't be that and he's also ridden ok since coming back from injury.If he was scared to ride the track on saturday night then that is a hell of a reflection on whoever prepared the track and maybe criticism should be directed there instead of at a decent reserve rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Are we actually being run by people who know what they are doing from a speedway point of view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elesmere Gunner Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Are we actually being run by people who know what they are doing from a speedway point of view? What are you on about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Are we actually being run by people who know what they are doing from a speedway point of view? Do you think Dennis knows what he is doing: from a speedway point of view? Just asking, and giving one example. I'd be interested in your opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) Do you think Dennis knows what he is doing: frointo a project week in week out for bobbins in return a speedway point of view? Just asking, and giving one example. I'd be interested in your opinion. Well given how many folks expertise we have available to us. Results are what im looking at aside from off track work which has been fantastic. We are a mid table team maybe we expect too much as supporters but results coupled with genuine regulars walking away plus the prices being dropped, should we have not sorted the team first before the infastructure?. In a couple of seasons there will be more board members at berwick than home fans in the ducket Edited April 22, 2013 by RobinH88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Alex may not score a lot of points away from home but at home he can be more than capable of scoring well as he has done in the past(and also this year.If ,as other posts have said,he admitted to being scared on Saturday night then surely the question has to be why.His bike would be the same so it can't be that and he's also ridden ok since coming back from injury.If he was scared to ride the track on saturday night then that is a hell of a reflection on whoever prepared the track and maybe criticism should be directed there instead of at a decent reserve rider. Have to agree ,Alex may regret making that statement (if he did make it)Fans can only take out of it that he has lost his confidance or he was having" a go" at the state of the track without speaking too the right people before making the statement. He has created trouble of his own making IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) Most of you are missing the point. Of course it's nobody's business but Alex's dad and the promotion that they have an "arrangement" over bonus points. What you should be focusing on is if this is the reason Alex is in the 2013 starting line up at the expense of Mikey Dyer, clearly a more talented rider, and could be the difference between havering a successful season and one that's over in June Edited April 23, 2013 by Shadders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) Reasons for Dyer not being in the Berwick side have already been covered……and logically explained by one of the more informed and respected posters on this form (luluthetiger). Edberg has had scores of paid 7, 8, paid 6 at home and 4 (away) they scores are more than reasonable for a rider signed on a 4.00 average at reserve, despite a poor score on Saturday, the reality is, if Edberg continues to score as he has (at home) and picks up away, he will go on to have a decent season. Thank fook half the people who post on this forum aren’t advisors to Kim Jong-un…., it does come across like a bit of a who can over-react the most contest… Edited April 23, 2013 by wjm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 Is this not confidential information that you yet again feel the need to spout off about on a public forum? have you actually asked the permission of either party to spout off in public their private business? if indeed the information is correct and not a figment of your over active imagination... YOU REALLY ARE SOME CARD MIND... Sorry Alfie, if this was supposed to be confididential, I appologise. However this subject was being discussed openly on saturday night in the Black & Gold, by many fans and riders alike. I commend what Fredrik has done under the circumstances, removing the bonus points was a massive error on behalf of the B.S.P.A. I fully understand the need to get costs down for clubs, however, they did little or nothing to get the costs down for riders. Quite the opposite, they probably increased rider costs. I do not place the blame at any individual clubs, but all promoters for voting on this change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 Everytime you read a Berwick thread the blame is always being pushed elsewhere. Whats Edbergs current average out of all meetings this season? The fact that his old man purchased seven sets of kevlars probably is a big factor in his signing but if say the main reason he was signed was because when he first come over he had potential and the promotion still believe he has it hence thinking hes a bargain on a 4 average or whatever he is on However i cant help think hes around his level now and he is a very injury prone rider The fact is Dyer could of been signed instead but they went with their asset Edberg and thats proved the wrong decision, it cant be down to Dyer wanting a fortune as i cant see redcar forking out shed loads for him. Berwick chose to not re sign Dyer and chose Edberg which has to be said is a big balls up which ever way you look at it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 I would disagree that it is a mistake whatever way you look at….. If the inclusion of Dyer and the loan fee had stretched the budget to the point that it meant, as an example, missing out on an Aspegren and having to go with say a Sanchez, I would have considered that a bigger mistake. (as ultimately across the course of the season the inclusion of a Aspegren and Edberg as opposed to a Sanchez and Dyer would leave Berwick better off). Edberg, thus far is doing a perfectly reasonable job for a rider in a reserve jacket coming back from an injury. The reality is, if things are to pick up for Berwick this season, riders other than Edberg need to up their performances. You could say Berwick should have signed “Barker instead of Ashworth” “Doyle instead of Aspegren” “Stead instead of Barret”, that is stating the obvious, the reality is, that it doesn’t work like that. Promotions need to run their club (and team building) like a business and work within a budget. There is a fine line between doing that, and having a “winning mentality”, it doesn’t take much over the course of a season to knock teams plans of course, it is how you recover from the bumps in the road that will ultimately mould a season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 Sorry Alfie, if this was supposed to be confididential, I appologise. However this subject was being discussed openly on saturday night in the Black & Gold, by many fans and riders alike. I commend what Fredrik has done under the circumstances, removing the bonus points was a massive error on behalf of the B.S.P.A. I fully understand the need to get costs down for clubs, however, they did little or nothing to get the costs down for riders. Quite the opposite, they probably increased rider costs. I do not place the blame at any individual clubs, but all promoters for voting on this change. It doesn't mean that it is fact. Nonetheless, why feel compelled to post it on a forum, especially when it is potentially a confidential matter. It doesn't make you look any more important than you are. Even though that would not take much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 I would disagree that it is a mistake whatever way you look at….. If the inclusion of Dyer and the loan fee had stretched the budget to the point that it meant, as an example, missing out on an Aspegren and having to go with say a Sanchez, I would have considered that a bigger mistake. --------- (as ultimately across the course of the season the inclusion of a Aspegren and Edberg as opposed to a Sanchez and Dyer would leave Berwick better ------------- Promotions need to run their club (and team building) like a business and work within a budget. The loan fee for Dyer, based on the BSPA guidelines, based on his average, would have been covered by a couple of families each week on the turnstile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 I would disagree that it is a mistake whatever way you look at….. If the inclusion of Dyer and the loan fee had stretched the budget to the point that it meant, as an example, missing out on an Aspegren and having to go with say a Sanchez, I would have considered that a bigger mistake. (as ultimately across the course of the season the inclusion of a Aspegren and Edberg as opposed to a Sanchez and Dyer would leave Berwick better off). Edberg, thus far is doing a perfectly reasonable job for a rider in a reserve jacket coming back from an injury. The reality is, if things are to pick up for Berwick this season, riders other than Edberg need to up their performances. You could say Berwick should have signed “Barker instead of Ashworth” “Doyle instead of Aspegren” “Stead instead of Barret”, that is stating the obvious, the reality is, that it doesn’t work like that. Promotions need to run their club (and team building) like a business and work within a budget. There is a fine line between doing that, and having a “winning mentality”, it doesn’t take much over the course of a season to knock teams plans of course, it is how you recover from the bumps in the road that will ultimately mould a season. But Doyle for Aspegren and Barker for Ashworth doesnt fit obviously and they didnt race for Berwick last season - Dyer did! In fairness as much as I like Robin, he wont average much more than what Sanchez would, hes a very up and down rider. If someone said to me Sanchez and Dyer or Aspegren and Edberg, id go for the first option everytime . Dyers ability to score more than Edberg would more than make up for my disappointment of Sanchez for Aspegren. I dont see why your mentioning Sanchez anyhow... Dyer for edberg would of fitted!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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