Plymouth V Witches Lc 12 April

[Baldyman]

His signing probably really only came down to money. I dare say some of our riders don't come cheap, but he probably does and his average fitted.

 

If Louis serious about winning anything then the change will be made, if not then that answers the question.

[flagrag]

The thing with Makinen from what I know when I went to Leicester last season was he has good sponsorship from a company there and having seen his bikes on the Internet they look very smart and good quality so he may be riding cheaper due to this sponsorship.

Has he been on the pace this season or not ? I thought with his gating that he may have a good night at Plymouth

[Super Blue]

The thing with Makinen from what I know when I went to Leicester last season was he has good sponsorship from a company there and having seen his bikes on the Internet they look very smart and good quality so he may be riding cheaper due to this sponsorship.

Has he been on the pace this season or not ? I thought with his gating that he may have a good night at Plymouth

 

 

Not even remotely on the pace im afraid ! The one point he got against Somerset on Thursday was gained through blocking Tom Perry who was clearly faster . When he has gated , which has not been often he's gone backwards or fallen off .

 

So far his performances are certainly not up to earning any kind of money at this level of speedway and he really needs to rethink his position as does Chris Louis !

 

The Witches cannot carry a no2 with Makinens current scoring level and ability and will be stuffed if he moves to reserve , im sorry but he needs to go !!!

[Roger Jacobs]

The thing with Makinen from what I know when I went to Leicester last season was he has good sponsorship from a company there and having seen his bikes on the Internet they look very smart and good quality so he may be riding cheaper due to this sponsorship.

Has he been on the pace this season or not ? I thought with his gating that he may have a good night at Plymouth

 

Not on the pace. He had one scoring ride on Thursday when he beat Tom Perry, but in his next one Perry passed him with ease.

 

Sadly, we've heard that Makinen has had a major family issue which can't have helped - so it's a difficult one for Chris Louis: do you give the rider the chance to ride through it, or tell him to take a break (knowing he will be playing even more catch-up when he returns), or tell him he's out ...

 

A difficult decision for any employer.

 

PS: I the cold light of day, a move for Sedgmen seems a very good option - he told me just before he decided to go home in 2011 that he would love to ride for Ipswich. Of course, the Aussie seems to have his own 'history', but if he's happy somewhere he could be very good.

Edited April 13, 2013 by Dave Love Speedway

[Roger Jacobs]

Duplicated post edited.

Edited April 13, 2013 by Dave Love Speedway

[Opinionated]

Another inept display from the Devils.

 

The track was much improved from the previous week. The dampness creating all sorts of lines.

 

Devils:

Proctor: Looked a bit livelier, but still went missing in the vital races. No answer at all to Barker.7/10

Schramm: Went completely awol. Only beating Makinen says it all. 3/10

Lemon: Looked like a complete novice. Not in it at all.3/10

Gathercole: Looked like he was riding a 600cc engine with the speed he was generating. Going round Barker twice is unheard of! If only he could do this every week..... 8/10

Kling: Poor. Don't like all this 'oh dear losing again, best look down at engine' lark. Didn't deserve his race win.3/10

Kurtz: Started slowly, but got it together at the end. Two superb wins rightly brought the house down.9/10

Reade: Never looked like scoring a point.2/10

 

Witches:

Barker: Looked stunned as Gathercole went by him. Otherwise and effortless display.9/10

Makinen: Never even in contention for a point. Can understand others comments about him.0/10

Tungate: Disappointing. No 'get up n go'. Trailed Kling in Ht7,who was hugging white line.So where does Tungate go? Up inside! If hed gone to the middle of the track, he would have walked it.5/10

Risager: Involved in a couple of good scraps. Good solid middle order.7/10

Lanham: Mr boring! Don't get why he was in Ht15. Risager should have got it. 6/10

Ellis: Certainly learned a lesson from the U21 round a few weeks ago. He stayed on this time! Excellent. 7/10

Heeps: I like him! Sluggish 1st ride, but really got moving afterwards. Good effort. 7/10

 

Ipswich were not that good, just that Devils were poor.The worrying thing about Plymouth is, can we get ALL the riders on form at the same time? Questions need to asked about the near future. When, not if, Kurtz goes up into the team, our scoring power will be severely dented. I don't see that Schramm will do the same as Todd. At least not on what I've seen so far. Id say Kling,Schramm and Reade need to look over their shoulders.

 

Unless changes are made, there will be no chance of finishing high up the table.

[motherread]

One team wins, one team loses but both sets of fans want riders replaced. Unbelievable !!

[torpointfanatic22]

Another inept display from the Devils.

 

The track was much improved from the previous week. The dampness creating all sorts of lines.

 

Devils:

Proctor: Looked a bit livelier, but still went missing in the vital races. No answer at all to Barker.7/10

Schramm: Went completely awol. Only beating Makinen says it all. 3/10

Lemon: Looked like a complete novice. Not in it at all.3/10

Gathercole: Looked like he was riding a 600cc engine with the speed he was generating. Going round Barker twice is unheard of! If only he could do this every week..... 8/10

Kling: Poor. Don't like all this 'oh dear losing again, best look down at engine' lark. Didn't deserve his race win.3/10

Kurtz: Started slowly, but got it together at the end. Two superb wins rightly brought the house down.9/10

Reade: Never looked like scoring a point.2/10

 

Witches:

Barker: Looked stunned as Gathercole went by him. Otherwise and effortless display.9/10

Makinen: Never even in contention for a point. Can understand others comments about him.0/10

Tungate: Disappointing. No 'get up n go'. Trailed Kling in Ht7,who was hugging white line.So where does Tungate go? Up inside! If hed gone to the middle of the track, he would have walked it.5/10

Risager: Involved in a couple of good scraps. Good solid middle order.7/10

Lanham: Mr boring! Don't get why he was in Ht15. Risager should have got it. 6/10

Ellis: Certainly learned a lesson from the U21 round a few weeks ago. He stayed on this time! Excellent. 7/10

Heeps: I like him! Sluggish 1st ride, but really got moving afterwards. Good effort. 7/10

 

Ipswich were not that good, just that Devils were poor.The worrying thing about Plymouth is, can we get ALL the riders on form at the same time? Questions need to asked about the near future. When, not if, Kurtz goes up into the team, our scoring power will be severely dented. I don't see that Schramm will do the same as Todd. At least not on what I've seen so far. Id say Kling,Schramm and Reade need to look over their shoulders.

 

Unless changes are made, there will be no chance of finishing high up the table.

 

I find it incredible with your comments that you can score Gathercole with an 8 an Todd with a 9 but hey ho. Far too early to call for changes in my book but Kling worries me!

[Super Blue]

One team wins, one team loses but both sets of fans want riders replaced. Unbelievable !!

 

From a supporter of the winning teams point of view there is only one rider most of us are after replacing at the moment .

 

Makinen is simply going to be a liability whatever position he rides at !

 

All we are asking for is a rider that will actually score a few more points than 2 in 5 meetings and a promoter that will make changes when they are obviously needed while you can easily do so .

 

In any other team sport on the planet if someone doesn't perform and do what they are paid to do they get dropped , It's not rocket science !

Edited April 14, 2013 by Super Blue

[Roger Jacobs]

From a supporter of the winning teams point of view there is only one rider most of us are after replacing at the moment .

 

Makinen is simply going to be a liability whatever position he rides at !

 

All we are asking for is a rider that will actually score a few more points than 2 in 5 meetings and a promoter that will make changes when they are obviously needed while you can easily do so .

 

In any other team sport on the planet if someone doesn't perform and do what they are paid to do they get dropped , It's not rocket science !

 

But this is British speedway, where just about every type of resource is limited.

[Baldyman]

But Dave a rider has put out a come and get me plea, we need a rider to really give this season a good go, and he fits perfectly, and is better than the rider he would be replacing. A team that is winning always attracts better crowds, so even if he would cost a little more than jari, I would imagine it would pay for itself. Or offer What jari is getting and let's see how much Justin really wants a team place.

[2ndbendbeerhut]

How long would it take for an Aussie to get a work permit from scratch if they applied today............?

[Baldyman]

Pass on that one.

[CardinalSin]

But Dave a rider has put out a come and get me plea, we need a rider to really give this season a good go, and he fits perfectly, and is better than the rider he would be replacing. A team that is winning always attracts better crowds, so even if he would cost a little more than jari, I would imagine it would pay for itself. Or offer What jari is getting and let's see how much Justin really wants a team place.

I said this yesterday. The promotion would have had a budget in mind in which to build the team and it's more than likely that Sedgman would be more pricey than Makinen. But sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate and push the boat out a little if you want success. I doubt it would be THAT much of a financial difference to put the club at risk. Put Sedgman in the team in place of Makinen and the team is strengthened without question. That would lead to better results, more chance of success and money spinning play offs, and more paying punters through the gate. That change as you say would more than likely pay for itself.

[Baldyman]

The thing is, there are always people looking for reasons not to do something instead of reasons to do something. Whilst we are still winning and riders not scoring, that must be saving money, why do you think changes don't happen very quickly.

[Roger MARTIN]

I find it incredible with your comments that you can score Gathercole with an 8 an Todd with a 9 but hey ho. Far too early to call for changes in my book but Kling worries me!

 

It is far to early Mike to make changes, but how long will people go to watch a team losing, it was a very good meeting on friday, but there are riders that should be doing better and they are not, now how long will people go and watch that, for me Reade is out of his league in the PL, and i can't find any excuse for Kling being so bad, i don't agree that you should give riders like him time, when you have riders who have never been on the Plymouth track coming down and out gating, and outscoring the home riders, he did last year, people may say that i'm wrong, but thats my opinion.

[Pinny]

Sedgmen will start well and tail off within a month... Ask any newport, birmingham or redcar fan what they found his form to be like!!! Plus he apparantly demands alot hence him not being snapped up this year.

 

 

[SCB]

Sedgmen will start well and tail off within a month... Ask any newport, birmingham or redcar fan what they found his form to be like!!! Plus he apparantly demands alot hence him not being snapped up this year.

Even and off form Sedgmen is better than Makkinen tbf. could you imagine if he dropped to reserve which is not impossible with Heeps current form

[Najjer]

Even and off form Sedgmen is better than Makkinen tbf. could you imagine if he dropped to reserve which is not impossible with Heeps current form

 

Not likely, especially with the rolling averages - even more so as these meetings don't count towards that.

[Baldyman]

Even if it's not Justin, there must be someone out there that could score more than 2 points in 15 races. Could be time for Hart to dust off suit.

Edited April 15, 2013 by Baldyman