speedibee Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 RFL pitch regulations would make the Belle Vue track HUGE Their regulations are (at full dimensions) 100m(116m) x 68m(74m) That would make around a 420m speedway track, WOW surely technology such as that of the millenium stadium where the grass Is removable could be applied . if only in the corners , that would allow a full size rugby pitch and an ideal shape speedway track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Well, Workington is 364m and that's round a professional rugby league pitch. But we will see (hopefully!). today's Manchester Evenig News says the track will be 365 metres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I hope that the financing includes a cover for the track! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Trust the BV promotion will be at Sittingbourne for their opener to reflect on what goes right and wrong? just a thought.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Nonsense. The planning permission is just a formality. Manchester Council have to say to Manchester Council "can we have planning permission to move the Speedway facility 200 yards down the road"....and Manchester Council say to Manchester Council "of course you can"...and Manchester Council say to Manchester Council "thank you". Don't you think in the last 6 years they haven't already looked into this and designed it in a way that the council are happy with? As for the local residents it will be better as the current stadium is, lets say, 'open plan', whereas the new one will be in a slight bowl with the terracing acting as a sound barrier. I agree with most of what you say, difference is though current track runs once a week (if that), new track they are wanting to run 7 days a week training academy, residents might have a problem with that. Hopefully there will be some some sort of compromise on times. Edited April 11, 2013 by Rob B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I hope that the financing includes a cover for the track! don't know about that !!.......but i do feel that 365 metres is perfect for a good race track if they get the corners right....plus the fact that it should be available as an academy training track means that youngsters should hopefully get plenty of early experience on a biggish track which i think will be great preparation for racing on European tracks down the line.....my view is that youngsters need more experience of big track racing early on their career if they want to make an impact on the world stage......riding on a tiddler training track is almost a different sport altogether to a big European track. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I hope that the financing includes a cover for the track! Definitely, already been confirmed there will be purpose made covers made for the track same as Vojens. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABS Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Definitely, already been confirmed there will be purpose made covers made for the track same as Vojens. All of this and no Stock Cars wrecking the place - wonderful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) It's nice to read so many positive posts for a change although there are still, even now a few doubters. It's odd that more than a few are doubting the finance. The business plan will have been put through a rigorous test of due diligence Just like to point out my questioning the finances was only because the business plan as far as i could make out(Phil never got back to me on whether i was right or wrong...)was based on upping the average attendance from 1,000 - about 2,000.I doubt anyone would think initially Belle Vue won't attract some great crowds,but will they be able to maintain them and reach the hoped for figure over an extended period?That is one of my slight worries.At this time of financial hardship it might be a big hope,even with a couple of big meetings.And that brings me to the other worry.The promise of agreement on this from the BSPA.They might have agreed at the moment to allocate big meetings there,but can the BSPA be trusted over a period of time?Also the core to this plan is getting the track right.Leicester also had a blank bit of paper and seem to have messed it up big time...... Sure most people have seen one or two examples of sporting teams getting a new stadium and not having enough finances to deliver a team to match.That puts pressure on the club and they end up in a downwards spiral of not achieving much,not attracting enough fans and not having enough money to get out.Like i say,i hope this doesn't happen to one of if not the most famous speedway team in the world.I really do wish them all the best Edited April 11, 2013 by iris123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I agree with most of what you say, difference is though current track runs once a week (if that), new track they are wanting to run 7 days a week training academy, residents might have a problem with that. Hopefully there will be some some sort of compromise on times. Just keep it quiet about the daily use thing for now. by the time it's happening planning will have been given. I doubt it'll be an issue. I'm still not convinced this will totally save the Aces and turn them back into the club they once were but it's certainly going to make things better. As a travelling fan who stopped going to away meetings, one of the first places I stopped going to was BV as the place was so bad. If they can just convert that into it being one of the first place people attend it'll make things better. but the suggestion crowds will double over the long term is a bit risky IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 today's Manchester Evenig News says the track will be 365 metres We'll call it Derwent Park and save the money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Agree with Iris... Belle Vue will get a good first-night crowd, about 6,000 some are guessing. It is whether they can keep even a fraction coming back, of course, as many will be newcomers brought along by publicity or some just showing an interest from surrounding tracks, so they can say they went to the first meeting at the new place. A successful team is important, as is being able to be positive you will be entertained and actually want to return the following week. It is alright getting good support early on, the real work begins once the novelty of newness has worn away. I am just being honest... and it is only one person's view. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I think it is down to a winning team and a good race night presentation. Neither of which we have right now! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I think it is down to a winning team and a good race night presentation. Neither of which we have right now! And a good racetrack. One of my most memeorable seasons at Belle Vue was 1994. The team finished bottom for the first time since the 50s but some of the racing was top drawer. Thing is, crowds dipped alarmingly over that season, meaning that it's maybe the winning team that will keep the fans and not good racing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Crowds at Coventry were horrendous on a Thursday Night, team was not much better either! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I HAVE no idea what attendance figure David Gordon has budgeted for in his business plan. Obviously he and Chris Morton will hope for increased crowds with a better stadium and a more favourable race-night. However, no longer will gate income be the only source of revenue and that is what the business plan has been built upon, along with the fact that rent will no longer be payable to the GRA. Throughout the time it has taken this project to get the green light Chris Morton has been charged with designing a track that as near as possible might replicate the old Hyde Road. Starting from scratch also allows them to build proper drainage from the outset. Interestingly, when I was chatting to Kelvin Tatum for his new column in Speedway Star (starts next week) he said it would be wrong to construct the 'perfect' track and that a degree of difficulty needs to be there to test the riders rather than to allow them to race around on cruise control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boobs Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I Interestingly, when I was chatting to Kelvin Tatum for his new column in Speedway Star (starts next week) he said it would be wrong to construct the 'perfect' track and that a degree of difficulty needs to be there to test the riders rather than to allow them to race around on cruise control. That is a great point. No matter the excellence of the facilities, a 'perfect' track produces the most boring racing, and forces riders to take inordinate risks in trying to pass. To an extend, Odsal had this problem, as have many one-off big meeting venues. The great tracks (Hyde Road, Cradley Heath) had several racing lines. This new one must -- must -- be designed to produce that kind of racing, otherwise speedway is right up crappy creek. The mention of a Rugby League pitch on the infield is a little worrying -- I truly hope this won't force the circuit to be made too square and/or too narrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 PRIORITY number one must be the track ... and will be 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 That is a great point. No matter the excellence of the facilities, a 'perfect' track produces the most boring racing, and forces riders to take inordinate risks in trying to pass. Some of the Polish tracks are big and wide and allow for the throttle wide open, seem to be perfect tracks to me, yet always seem to produce great racing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted April 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 The track will be built first with the stadium built 2nd around it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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