Opinionated Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Im rather confused regarding bonus points in the Premier League. As I understand it,the riders do NOT get a bonus point or pay for finishing 3rd behind their partner. They only get paid for a bonus point for finishing 2nd behind their partner when on a 5-1. On the BSPA results page,they show bonus points for finishing 3rd. So do the live updates. Easy mistake to make after all these years. Going to be fun if watching meetings from both Leagues.Do they/dont they? Very confusing. Can someone please clarify this postion.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I think it's only they don't get any money for the 3rd place behind a partner. Bonus point is still awarded for averages etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Ipswich are stating in this weeks SS that they will pay bonus points, are they breaking the rules or was it a choice of each Promotion whether they were paid or not, another shambles by the sound of things. So much for cost cutting.It was stupid to even try to introduce something so flawed IMO. Edited March 30, 2013 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 they are breaking the rules, sheffield promotions idea, it was voted on at the agm as i understand, but ipswich, rye and somerset i am led to believe were the only votes against it, rediculous i feel a 3-3 can win / draw a match and the guy in 3rd passes his teammate to ensure being paid more, then his teammate gets passed by the guy in 4th 3-3 turns into 4-2 against match lost,or worse crashes into his teammate while trying to pass him, promoters fault not riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opinionated Posted March 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I think it's only they don't get any money for the 3rd place behind a partner. Bonus point is still awarded for averages etc. Thanks,but that makes it even more stupid. So the averages (with bonus) will show the true value of a rider,but his paypacket wont? Totally absurd. I can see why it was laughed out of sight at EL level. I CAN see and understand that promotions will offer to pay their riders,unofficially of course. I just want to clarfiy the OFFICIAL positon in order to complete my programmes correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chain link Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Why try to mend something that wasnt broken................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 We already had Proctor and Schramm going at it for 2 laps last night to get 2nd place instead of a 3rd - absolute ridiculous to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostylion Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 We already had Proctor and Schramm going at it for 2 laps last night to get 2nd place instead of a 3rd - absolute ridiculous to be honest. that's what speedways about isn't it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 that's what speedways about isn't it Me personally, I didn't care less as they aren't riding for my team. If it happened between two Somerset riders, and one of them came to grief, I'd be pretty peeved about it. So to answer your question, no, that isn't what team Speedway is all about, team mates racing eachother for a bigger pay packet. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 that's what speedways about isn't it Is it , speedway is mostly a team event . So having team mates racing each other , and potentially knocking each other off , for 2nd place is madness . The only time a third placed rider will be paid a bonus point behind a team mate , is when the team mate is wearing the black and white helmet and finishes 2nd . So obviously when making the rule it was realised that a safe 3-3 could easily become a 1-5 or worse and didn't want the double points compromised . The reasoning behind it was that too many riders were being paid bonus point money , behind a second placed team mate in three rider races , but how many times a season does that actually happen ? A seriously short sighted cost cutting measure that the promoters have come up with and one that could lead to serious injury . 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Speedway is a team sport or so we are led to believe ? This must be the most unbelievably tw*tish rule ever brought in by the prats who decided ! Infighting between team mates for money can only be detrimental to the team so I fully understand and back 100% the decision by Ipswich management to pay 3rd place bonus points ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Speedway is a team sport or so we are led to believe ? This must be the most unbelievably tw*tish rule ever brought in by the prats who decided ! Infighting between team mates for money can only be detrimental to the team so I fully understand and back 100% the decision by Ipswich management to pay 3rd place bonus points ! Ipswich seem to have made their intentions public , but i'm sure other clubs are following suit and have kept it quiet for fear of upsetting the authorities . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Doesn't the hone team mak a payment to the away team tho for riders points including bonus points? So Ipo have stated they will pay the 3rd place points but won't get anything back when scored away from home Regardless of the pros and cons of the rule,it was set in the rules at the AGM and looks bad on Ipswich maybe that they have taken no notice of it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Wont the Witches just cover the missing BPs for our own riders though? They wont be the only ones officially or otherwise. Im sure the pay cap will be just as religiously adhered to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) not really as ipswich disagreed with it and are being loyal (a not often used word in speedway) to their riders and looking out for team morale, i have not seen the star, but would assume they are going to pay their riders bonus points, something that can be done seperately. sorry just seen your post dfb. Edited March 30, 2013 by brewer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Is it , speedway is mostly a team event . So having team mates racing each other , and potentially knocking each other off , for 2nd place is madness . The only time a third placed rider will be paid a bonus point behind a team mate , is when the team mate is wearing the black and white helmet and finishes 2nd . So obviously when making the rule it was realised that a safe 3-3 could easily become a 1-5 or worse and didn't want the double points compromised . The reasoning behind it was that too many riders were being paid bonus point money , behind a second placed team mate in three rider races , but how many times a season does that actually happen ? A seriously short sighted cost cutting measure that the promoters have come up with and one that could lead to serious injury . What were the promoters thinking when this was agreed? It will only be yet another rule that's by-passed with underhand happenings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Surely it's up to each promoter how he pays his riders. Per point, per bonus point, per pass, for turning up, per big mac.... Ipswich want to pay riders a bonus for scoring a bonus point. An employer and employee can put any term (that doesn't break statutory law) into a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 What were the promoters thinking when this was agreed? Staying in business I guess,last year I bet not one pl team made money and some major cost cutting was always going to take place,sad reality of the situation the sport is in Point is if it was agreed by the majority at the AGM,the witches shouldn't have gone against the rule,shows zero respect I think for the rest of the clubs regardless of wether the rule is right or wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 It's not a rule. There are no rules about how riders are paid, and bonus points haven't been used to calculate averages for years. Whether they're paid for them or not is immaterial when it comes to the calculation of scores. If there's that much concern about what riders are & aren't getting paid for, how about when a rider is on a points guarantee but fails to score to that level? He's then getting paid for point he didn't score! A selection of multi coloured pens is surely the only way forward. That way the BSPA will have progressed the sport, making the mundane completion of a programme in monochrome a thing of the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Also, just to add, the BP scored by a 3rd place rider finishing behind a team mate (in 2nd), will count towards eligibility for heat 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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