Leicester V Sheffield 30th March

[neb]

Hang on 1 track is crap 2 toilet blockis crap 3 programes gone up 3 and just when It couldn't get any worse Bloody Popples back need we say any more:)

and dont forget darcy is the third musketeer so it cant get any worse.

[robert72]

There are very few (if any ) experts on track preparation on this forum, but there are plenty of experts who know what a decent Speedway race is. Personally I couldn't give a monkey's whether there is x tons of dirt on a track or whether the riders think it's great. what I as a paying Speedway supporter want to see is racing. If there's no racing and no passing something needs to change.

 

I've never baked a cake but I know when one tastes like sh**

 

fans will fully agree with what you have said but sadly its the promotion you need to convince

[speedflash]

Ok everyone wants overtaking , more dirt on the track and don't give a dame about what the riders want.

Yes we have to work with what we have. But to put the riders views and their well being at risk is irresposable. Its them who are at risk not the fans who demand this and that.

You go down the straight at 65mph slide the bike in sideways only for the dirt to flick you up and drive you into the fence. While they are in hospital awaiting surgery for a broken arm or leg. You the demanding fan can go down the pub. Jezz that was nasty fall last night! hope he will be ok. Give us pint love.

I will never ignore the fans and try to make the safest track I can, with what I have to work with. But what the riders want will always come first.

[flagrag]

Well said Glyn rider safety has always got to come first there has been already some bad injuries this season with Tully,Roynon,Bunyan and Lambert all spending time in hospital recovering from injuries.

As I said before hopefully with the warmer weather it will more water and grip on the outside to allow passes on outside and cutbacks

[robert72]

Ok everyone wants overtaking , more dirt on the track and don't give a dame about what the riders want.

Yes we have to work with what we have. But to put the riders views and their well being at risk is irresposable. Its them who are at risk not the fans who demand this and that.

You go down the straight at 65mph slide the bike in sideways only for the dirt to flick you up and drive you into the fence. While they are in hospital awaiting surgery for a broken arm or leg. You the demanding fan can go down the pub. Jezz that was nasty fall last night! hope he will be ok. Give us pint love.

I will never ignore the fans and try to make the safest track I can, with what I have to work with. But what the riders want will always come first.

 

Every fan wants safety for the riders but not every fan Will pay each week to watch what has been on offer since leicester speedway came back anymore,the promotion has had long enough to get it right.

 

The problem you are facing is your in the middle, you know what should of been done and are trying to fill the cracks and hope it might slightly improve things when you know had they made bigger changes we wouldnt be having this conversation going into the third season.

 

Season tickets holders feel robbed and let down and cant walk away but others can if its not put right quickly, then the leicester lions team will be riding in a near empty jordan stadium. that will be a major shame for leicester and speedway.

Edited April 1, 2013 by robert72

[Halifaxtiger]

Ok everyone wants overtaking , more dirt on the track and don't give a dame about what the riders want.

Yes we have to work with what we have. But to put the riders views and their well being at risk is irresposable. Its them who are at risk not the fans who demand this and that.

You go down the straight at 65mph slide the bike in sideways only for the dirt to flick you up and drive you into the fence. While they are in hospital awaiting surgery for a broken arm or leg. You the demanding fan can go down the pub. Jezz that was nasty fall last night! hope he will be ok. Give us pint love.

I will never ignore the fans and try to make the safest track I can, with what I have to work with. But what the riders want will always come first.

 

And when they want ridiculously slick tracks that produce crap racing which would have the fans deserting the sport in droves - and that is the main point of criticism of Leicester Speedway - would you still do that ?

 

I only have speculation about the riders demands for the surface at BP and the management's agreement to that but, as I have said, one rider certainly described a disgracefully slick track there as 'mint'. Every fan would describe it as the precise opposite.

 

Every fan is aware of the risks that riders take and is appalled when injuries occur. The reaction of the speedway paying public to the death of Lee Richardson, the astonishing crowd at Lakeside for his memorial meeting and enormous funds raised for his dependents are testimony to that. No fan would wish for the preparation of a track that endangers them any more than climbing on a 500cc bike without brakes in the first place.

 

But that does not mean that their demands completely override those of the spectator paying for the privilege. In my experience, it is entirely possible to prepare tracks for good racing that are safe (or at least not dangerous) for those participating.

 

In truth, you did it every week at Redcar and its never been the same since you left - in my view, it went from being one of the best racing tracks in the country to one of the worst. I again only have speculation on the matter, but I was told that that was down to the demands of one rider.

[Chris]

Clearly Hemsley has done the track changes on the cheap. Paying a couple of hundred quid to take a couple of feet off is not going to help and he has conned his paying public.

 

What an embarrassment that a blank canvas was available and some wally came up with that.

 

Think you have to be very careful as well with siding with what the riders want over the paying public. 90% of riders these days will want ultra slick tracks as its an easier ride for them.

Edited April 1, 2013 by Chris

[wandersome]

Ok everyone wants overtaking , more dirt on the track and don't give a dame about what the riders want.

Yes we have to work with what we have. But to put the riders views and their well being at risk is irresposable. Its them who are at risk not the fans who demand this and that.

You go down the straight at 65mph slide the bike in sideways only for the dirt to flick you up and drive you into the fence. While they are in hospital awaiting surgery for a broken arm or leg. You the demanding fan can go down the pub. Jezz that was nasty fall last night! hope he will be ok. Give us pint love.

I will never ignore the fans and try to make the safest track I can, with what I have to work with. But what the riders want will always come first.

 

Well said Glyn. Which then brings us back to the fundamental point.. and we all know where this is going. It's what what Andy Joyce so eloquently called 'the nonsense on here'. The shape of the track. When 4 riders are going that fast down a straight and then having to scrub off that much speed to get round such a tight corner then i can't see how the track can work with much more dirt on it. I remember that Scunthorpe match last year and as entertaining to watch as it was, it was clearly a train wreck waiting to happen. Track changes have left us with the same fundamental issues irrespective. Honestly, i'm in disbelief there is anyone out there who is still defending the thing or coming up with alternative reasons, such as track preparation, as to why that might not be the whole problem. It's clutching at straws

 

What we need was someone in charge who has an ounce of sense who can sit there and say, we've got it wrong. Lets sort it out before it's too late.

 

Mick,

Edited April 1, 2013 by volty

[ukrossifan]

I know in most of your Eutopian lives of self denial everything is perfect ..... But if you hadn't noticed in the real world things aren't perfect .

As far as the track is concerned if you didn't notice (oh some of you probably didn't even go ) it was freezing therefore be thankful there weren't multiple injured riders like has happened nearly everywhere else.

Based on the horrendous start to the year with freezing temperatures and bad injuries, Glyn did a great job with the track in the weather conditions.

Judge the track when it's decent speedway weather, but then again whatever's done at Leicester Speedway most of you will just criticise it on here.

Anything that didn't work right in the toilets the first time they were used I would think will be fixed, why wouldn't it be? , but then again you'll still complain that there are no gold taps and nobody supplied to wipe your backside for you!

Edited April 1, 2013 by hurricanes

[Pinny]

In fairness it can be tricky - in 2009 the Newport track was done by Colin Meredith who produced a billiard table most weeks to the liking of Lemon and Werner but the likes of Kerr, Frampton and to a lesser extent Fryer struggled because of their not so good gating and the lack of grip to pass on.

 

But the main factor in sport is the fans because without them the riders dont get paid so a lot of thought does need to go into it.

[wandersome]

I know in most of your Eutopian lives of self denial everything is perfect ..... But if you hadn't noticed in the real world things aren't perfect .

 

the shape of the Leicester track for one!

[robert72]

Clearly Hemsley has done the track changes on the cheap. Paying a couple of hundred quid to take a couple of feet off is not going to help and he has conned his paying public.

 

What an embarrassment that a blank canvas was available and some wally came up with that.

 

Think you have to be very careful as well with siding with what the riders want over the paying public. 90% of riders these days will want ultra slick tracks as its an easier ride for them.

 

I think alot of fans feel conned by the promotion and very disapointed and let down.

 

DH built the track like a large cycle speedway track, it hasnt worked and he wont admit it and make the right changes that could save the clubs future as without fans there will be no leicester speedway.

 

Glyn using riders over fans is wrong,every fan will want a safe track but also a track riders can pass each other safely too, this is never going to happen unless major changes are made now.

 

Well said Glyn. Which then brings us back to the fundamental point.. and we all know where this is going. It's what what Andy Joyce so eloquently called 'the nonsense on here'. The shape of the track. When 4 riders are going that fast down a straight and then having to scrub off that much speed to get round such a tight corner then i can't see how the track can work with much more dirt on it. I remember that Scunthorpe match last year and as entertaining to watch as it was, it was clearly a train wreck waiting to happen. Track changes have left us with the same fundamental issues irrespective. Honestly, i'm in disbelief there is anyone out there who is still defending the thing or coming up with alternative reasons, such as track preparation, as to why that might not be the whole problem. It's clutching at straws

 

What we need was someone in charge who has an ounce of sense who can sit there and say, we've got it wrong. Lets sort it out before it's too late.

 

Mick,

I have always said thats a problem with the speed of the straights and then the turn, its all wrong, however your last point is one i cannot see the promotion admitting or doing anything about which is sad for the future of leicester speedway.

[jackson2]

My god don't you talk a load of bull about the toilets the toilets should have been checked that they were ok before the gates opened it's a health thing you knob. Would you like piss all over your floor and feet No

[flagrag]

I think people can accept the leaks to a certain amount as first meeting but not the lack of urinals in the massive male toilet with space for another 4 or 5 urinals.

It does beg the question though why was the toilets and office block such a rush thing they had all winter to do the work but waited until few weeks before season started with even Hemsley saying been a rush and that he had been hanging doors and getting ticket office finished on Saturday

Hopefully for my next visit when in the area the weather will be warmer so get better indication of track and faults can be ironed out around the stadium like with the music playing over race results and interviews hopefully just first night issues.

Edited April 1, 2013 by flagrag

[rossi]

Haven't been on here for ages but good to see nothin changes with talk about everything except the results Leicester get.

Can you imagine football fans going on about anything else other than results and discussing toilets not Goals?

Most of you seem to only want every track in country to be circles with no straights.

There were as many and maybe more overtakes at Leicester on Saturday than at Scunthorpe (one of your circle tracks) on Friday.

I never saw Hall, Stead, Niemenen, Bjerre, Wells, Blackbird etc etc ''scrubbing lots of speed off'' as they went round bends 3 and 4, with for example Hall overtaking both Doolan and Nielsen together round the outside, Wells, Bjerre and Niemenen making passes round outside too, and on the same bend Niemenen, Graversen for example making passes on the inside by keeping tight to the kerb coming out Bend 4, showing that there are clearly 2 passing lines and different ways of riding on Bends 3 and 4 now even in rubbish weather for Track Curators.

Observations and discussion points so far -

The Team have had a good start to the season,

We have lost Roynon with the bad crash,

Will we sign a replacement until Roynon is fit?

How great to see Lewis score so many points!

We have no makeweight riders this year.

So how about discussing the topic subject 'Leicester v Sheffield' and how the Team are doing , like nearly all other Teams fans do on their Forums pages and how Fans of Teams in every other sport do?

[ukrossifan]

 

It does beg the question though why was the toilets and office block such a rush thing they had all winter to do the work but waited until few weeks before season started with even Hemsley saying been a rush and that he had been hanging doors and getting ticket office finished on Saturday

Hopefully for my next visit when in the area the weather will be warmer so get better indication of track and faults can be ironed out around the stadium like with the music playing over race results and interviews hopefully just first night issues.

because if you'd gone to the public practice sessions you'd know that the mobile toilets weren't taken away until end January !

[jim the whipper]

Haven't been on here for ages but good to see nothin changes with talk about everything except the results Leicester get.

Can you imagine football fans going on about anything else other than results and discussing toilets not Goals?

Most of you seem to only want every track in country to be circles with no straights.

There were as many and maybe more overtakes at Leicester on Saturday than at Scunthorpe (one of your circle tracks) on Friday.

I never saw Hall, Stead, Niemenen, Bjerre, Wells, Blackbird etc etc ''scrubbing lots of speed off'' as they went round bends 3 and 4, with for example Hall overtaking both Doolan and Nielsen together round the outside, Wells, Bjerre and Niemenen making passes round outside too, and on the same bend Niemenen, Graversen for example making passes on the inside by keeping tight to the kerb coming out Bend 4, showing that there are clearly 2 passing lines and different ways of riding on Bends 3 and 4 now even in rubbish weather for Track Curators.

Observations and discussion points so far -

The Team have had a good start to the season,

We have lost Roynon with the bad crash,

Will we sign a replacement until Roynon is fit?

How great to see Lewis score so many points!

We have no makeweight riders this year.

So how about discussing the topic subject 'Leicester v Sheffield' and how the Team are doing , like nearly all other Teams fans do on their Forums pages and how Fans of Teams in every other sport do?

Right ho everyone , you have been told , so pick from that list above or stop posting , The special ,"Content Moderator" has appointed themselves and anyone who wishes to debate outside the approved list will be banned from these threads

[ukrossifan]

 

Right ho everyone , you have been told , so pick from that list above or stop posting , The special ,"Content Moderator" has appointed themselves and anyone who wishes to debate outside the approved list will be banned from these threads

Typical usual tactic, if you can't argue the points made logically you belittle it.

Pathetic !

[freddyfivetoes]

Haven't been on here for ages but good to see nothin changes with talk about everything except the results Leicester get.

Can you imagine football fans going on about anything else other than results and discussing toilets not Goals?

Most of you seem to only want every track in country to be circles with no straights.

There were as many and maybe more overtakes at Leicester on Saturday than at Scunthorpe (one of your circle tracks) on Friday.

I never saw Hall, Stead, Niemenen, Bjerre, Wells, Blackbird etc etc ''scrubbing lots of speed off'' as they went round bends 3 and 4, with for example Hall overtaking both Doolan and Nielsen together round the outside, Wells, Bjerre and Niemenen making passes round outside too, and on the same bend Niemenen, Graversen for example making passes on the inside by keeping tight to the kerb coming out Bend 4, showing that there are clearly 2 passing lines and different ways of riding on Bends 3 and 4 now even in rubbish weather for Track Curators.

Observations and discussion points so far -

The Team have had a good start to the season,

We have lost Roynon with the bad crash,

Will we sign a replacement until Roynon is fit?

How great to see Lewis score so many points!

We have no makeweight riders this year.

So how about discussing the topic subject 'Leicester v Sheffield' and how the Team are doing , like nearly all other Teams fans do on their Forums pages and how Fans of Teams in every other sport do?

 

Good post! I have been at Leicester three times, twice early on when the only complaint I would have had was the quite awful presentation by the announcers(s) and again last season in high summer (remember that week?) when the presentation had improved vastly.

 

I saw nothing much wrong with the track and the racing.

 

Good lord, places like Ipswich and Berwick have one or at most two ridiculous critics who make themselves laughing stocks by their continual sniping at their hard-working, well-respected promoters. Leicester seem to have a shed-load!

 

C'mon, you've got speedway in your city, ffs! Get behind it.

[wandersome]

There were as many and maybe more overtakes at Leicester on Saturday than at Scunthorpe (one of your circle tracks) on Friday.

I never saw Hall, Stead, Niemenen, Bjerre, Wells, Blackbird etc etc ''scrubbing lots of speed off'' as they went round bends 3 and 4, with for example Hall overtaking both Doolan and Nielsen together round the outside, Wells, Bjerre and Niemenen making passes round outside too, and on the same bend Niemenen, Graversen for example making passes on the inside by keeping tight to the kerb coming out Bend 4, showing that there are clearly 2 passing lines and different ways of riding on Bends 3 and 4 now even in rubbish weather for Track Curators.

Observations and discussion points so far -

The Team have had a good start to the season,

We have lost Roynon with the bad crash,

Will we sign a replacement until Roynon is fit?

How great to see Lewis score so many points!

We have no makeweight riders this year.

So how about discussing the topic subject 'Leicester v Sheffield' and how the Team are doing , like nearly all other Teams fans do on their Forums pages and how Fans of Teams in every other sport do?

 

It's not the overtaking but more the manner of the overtaking... or not even overtaking. I remember going to Somerset and watching a meeting that had almost no overtaking but was very enjoyable to watch nontheless. That was because the chance to overtake was there. You could sense it. That doesn't happen at Leicester.

We clearly have different ideas as to what makes a great race.

The reason Hall went around both Nielsen and Doolan was clearly because Nielsen was going so slow by the time he was half around the bend and at that point Doolan was trying to shepherd Nielsen but just found himself with nowhere to go but to sit behind him. If that's what you call speedway entertainment then i want to be drinking what you were. Same with the Bjerre pass. It's not all about the overtaking. It's how it's done. How it should be done never happens at Leicester. If you are citing that as evidence of good racing at Leicester then you must have the same contact lens supplier as Mr Hemsley himself.

 

Also, how exactly do speedway riders get around a corner if they are not scrubbing speed off.

 

You might want to read the whole thread and then people are discussing how the riders went on saturday. me included. It's just the complete lack of entertainment is more of an issue than how many points the riders scored or whether we won or not.

 

Good post! I have been at Leicester three times, twice early on when the only complaint I would have had was the quite awful presentation by the announcers(s) and again last season in high summer (remember that week?) when the presentation had improved vastly.

 

I saw nothing much wrong with the track and the racing.

 

Good lord, places like Ipswich and Berwick have one or at most two ridiculous critics who make themselves laughing stocks by their continual sniping at their hard-working, well-respected promoters. Leicester seem to have a shed-load!

 

C'mon, you've got speedway in your city, ffs! Get behind it.

 

so your point appears to be this 'why do we all moan about the track as it's is good and always has been' ?

 

do you mind if i reuse your FFS!

 

Mick. (even capatalised it)

Edited April 2, 2013 by volty