Danish Speedway On Tv

[racers and royals]

2 repeat showings of tonight`s match for those chosing to watch Sweden instead-all uk times

Thursday 5th 8.30am and 6pm

http://kanalsport.dk/

 

Revised line-ups

Esbjerg

Niels-Kristian Iversen

Zbigniew Suchecki

Rene Bach

Steen Jensen

Michael Palm Toft

 

 

Holstebro

 

Bjarne Pedersen

Ronnie Jamrozy

Andriej Karpow

Jonas B Andersen

Mikkel B Andersen

Edited September 4, 2013 by racers and royals

[manchesterpaul]

TV meeting racecard AVAILABLE NOW FREE

 

MiniMax Racecard Danske Liga Esbjerg Vs Holstebro Wednesday, 4th, September, 2013

[manchesterpaul]

Don't know if anyone is around for this with it clashing with the 2nd leg of the Swedish semi-final?

 

LEAGUE STANDINGS

 

http://speedway-league.com/stillingen/

Edited September 4, 2013 by manchesterpaul

[racers and royals]

Don't know if anyone is around for this with it clashing with the 2nd leg of the Swedish semi-final?

Around at the moment-will keep coverage on laptop.

[manchesterpaul]

I'll probably lose track of the meeting at some point as i've got a delivery due smack in the middle of both meetings and with doing a host of other things i can't use my computers screen recorder. The Swedish match is ok as it's on tv and i can pause or rewind.

 

I would have opted for the replays you listed tomorrow but not going to be at home at both of those times ouch.

 

Looks like they stuggling to keep Graphics man standing or sitting up and as he keeps slumping over the video unit he's hitting all sorts of buttons and sliders causing all sorts to pop-up on our screens mid-race lol.

[racers and royals]

seems as if they have a work experience chap in charge of the cameras tonight-all over the place

Edited September 4, 2013 by racers and royals

[manchesterpaul]

seems as if they have a work experience chap in charge of the cameras tonight-all over the place

 

I noticed that during the last race in particular, we got a partial zoom in of head and shoulders and only a glimpse of part of the rider behind.

 

NIce win by Bjarne there and back up by Karpov trying to match the first race in Sweden

[racers and royals]

Next Wednesday 11th September at 4.40 pm uk time from Esjberg is the final of the Danish league-taking part are the top 4 in the league standings(14 matches)

1 Esjberg 30 pts

2 Fjelsted 24 pts

3 Holsted 21 pts

4 Slangerup 18 pts

 

I haven`t a clue how it all works on the night-maybe Danish webmaster(where have you been-we`ve missed your input)or Manchester Paul can enlighten us.

 

http://kanalsport.dk/

Edited September 6, 2013 by racers and royals

[manchesterpaul]

Next Wednesday 11th September from Esjberg is the final of the Danish league-taking part are the top 4 in the league standings(14 matches)

1 Esjberg 30 pts

2 Fjelsted 24 pts

3 Holsted 21 pts

4 Slangerup 18 pts

 

I haven`t a clue how it all works on the night-maybe Danish webmaster(where have you been-we`ve missed your input)or Manchester Paul can enlighten us.

 

http://kanalsport.dk/

 

It's the same as last year, although don't necessary rely on your tv graphics lol.

 

I haven't got time to check right now but it runs one of two ways

 

( a ) The team finishing top has 4 race points added in the final, second 3, third 2, fourth 0.

OR

( b ) The team finishing top in the final has 4 league points added to their league points total with second team 3, third team 2, last team 0.

 

Due to my awful memory i'd have to go Googling/researching and can't do that right now, but if nobody chirps up in the meantime i'll come back later and update.

 

It's a bit odd in that they race all season in a traditional league format of two riders per team in a heat and then in the final it's a single rider from each team per race.

 

From the official site;

"Danish Metal Speedway League is Denmark's top division in speedway sport. The tournament consists of seven teams, all of which meet each other at home and abroad - a total of 42 matches and a final stage with the 4 best teams in which the team leading after the first 42 races.

 

As a new feature in 2012 introduced a super finale with the participation of the 4 best teams in the league, they meet at the club that is best for all met each other once at home and once at home. The run-points taken with the super finals which awarded points that count in the overall standings - Super Final run on Wednesday 12 September"

Edited September 6, 2013 by manchesterpaul

[racers and royals]

Teams

Esbjerg: Niels Kr Iversen – René Bach – Mikkel Bech – Steen Jensen – Michael Palm Toft

 

Fjelsted: Peter Kildemand – Magnus Zetterström – Hans Andersen – Nikolaj Busk – Jesper Søgaard

 

Holsted: Nicki Pedersen – Patrick Hougaard – Nikolai Klindt – Rasmus Jensen – Simon Nielsen

 

Slangerup: Leon Madsen – Kenneth Hansen – Mikkel Michelsen – Linus Eklöf – Kenni Nissen

 

Google translation of part of article on league website

"Nothing is predetermined.

 

For good enough Esbjerg has the best starting point for the finals as they finished as number one in the series. This means that they have four points into the finals, while Fjelsted has two points with by virtue of their second place , Holsted has a single point with and Slangerup must start the finals without any points.

 

But it's points in the finals that count in the event of a tie . Therefore, all four clubs actually run with Denmark championship."

Edited September 8, 2013 by racers and royals

[Peter S.]

Google translation of part of article on league website

"Nothing is predetermined.

 

For good enough Esbjerg has the best starting point for the finals as they finished as number one in the series. This means that they have four points into the finals, while Fjelsted has two points with by virtue of their second place , Holsted has a single point with and Slangerup must start the finals without any points.

 

But it's points in the finals that count in the event of a tie . Therefore, all four clubs actually run with Denmark championship."

It is correct that 4-2-1-0 points are brought into the final. Points in the final are 4-3-2-0. If tied its the result in the final that Counts. Edited September 9, 2013 by Peter S.

[racers and royals]

It is correct that 4-2-1-0 points are brought into the final. Points in the final are 4-3-2-0. If tied its the result in the final that Counts.

Thanks Peter-I was slightly confused(not to difficult for me) if they were race points added or Match points-as they are match points Esbjerg can finish 2nd (4 + 3 =7) and can`t be caught(2 + 4=6 ) ??

[Peter S.]

Correct !

[racers and royals]

I put this quote ”Vi fik sølv sidste år, og det var fedt. Får vi bronze er det også ok. Vinder vi er det sgu fantastisk,” siger Morten Svendsen. from the league website into google translation and it come up with

 

We got silver last year and it was great . If we get bronze , it is also ok. If we win it's ******* fantastic, "says Morten Svendsen -hope it`s not written in Danish as it`s translated.

Edited September 9, 2013 by racers and royals

[manchesterpaul]

I think this is all still quite ambiguous. Hopefully Peter S can come back to us to clarify once more?

 

If he's not around and nobody else can confirm what's what i'll try grab time myself tonight or more likely tomorrow to chase down references to last season's meeting. Although confusion reigned last year with Danish TV, Danish media (speedway and general) and UK speedway media having conflicting statements regards to how the final was scored and league decided.

 

After R&R appealed for information on the format the other day i replied with...

 

( a ) The team finishing top has 4 race points added in the final, second 3, third 2, fourth 0.

OR

( b ) The team finishing top in the final has 4 league points added to their league points total with second team 3, third team 2, last team 0.

 

From the official site;

"Danish Metal Speedway League is Denmark's top division in speedway sport. The tournament consists of seven teams, all of which meet each other at home and abroad - a total of 42 matches and a final stage with the 4 best teams in which the team leading after the first 42 races.

 

As a new feature in 2012 introduced a super finale with the participation of the 4 best teams in the league, they meet at the club that is best for all met each other once at home and once at home. The run-points taken with the super finals which awarded points that count in the overall standings - Super Final run on Wednesday 12 September"

 

Google translation of part of article on league website

"Nothing is predetermined.

 

For good enough Esbjerg has the best starting point for the finals as they finished as number one in the series. This means that they have four points into the finals, while Fjelsted has two points with by virtue of their second place , Holsted has a single point with and Slangerup must start the finals without any points.

 

But it's points in the finals that count in the event of a tie . Therefore, all four clubs actually run with Denmark championship."

 

It is correct that 4-2-1-0 points are brought into the final. Points in the final are 4-3-2-0. If tied its the result in the final that Counts.

 

Peter S, or any Danish member can you clarify this part as it seems contradictory

4-2-1-0 points are brought into the final. Points in the final are 4-3-2-0.

 

Also

4-2-1-0 points are brought into the final. 'Final' as in reference to the meeting, or a 'final' race in the meeting?

Points in the final are 4-3-2-0. 'Final' as in reference to the meeting, or a 'final' race in the meeting?

 

Thanks Peter-I was slightly confused(not to difficult for me) if they were race points added or Match points-as they are match points Esbjerg can finish 2nd (4 + 3 =7) and can`t be caught(2 + 4=6 ) ??

Correct !

 

What is correct? R&R has ended his sentence with a question. Maybe it's just the way i'm reading it but i'm not 100% sure if they are match points as R&R seems to be asking for confirmation. What is losing me is the earlier seemingly contradictory statement of "4-2-1-0 points are brought into the final. Points in the final are 4-3-2-0."

 

Do any of the above refer to points awarded in each heat???

 

Many thanks in advance of any further assistance with this.

Edited September 9, 2013 by manchesterpaul

[Peter S.]

I Can try

The rules on the official league site are from 2012 and are not correct.

 

The league table before the meeting (match points, not heat points) Esbjerg 4, fjelsted 2, holsted 1, slangerup 0.

 

The winner of the final (23 heats, normal pointscoring, 3210, i Can email the race ard for you of i get an adress) recieves 4 match points, no 2 get 3 points, no 3 get 2 points, 0

points for no.

 

If ie holsted Wins the final they Will have 5 points.

 

I hope this explains it.

 

Way easier to explain in Danish, but still "complicated"

 

Peter

[manchesterpaul]

I Can try

The rules on the official league site are from 2012 and are not correct.

 

The league table before the meeting (match points, not heat points) Esbjerg 4, fjelsted 2, holsted 1, slangerup 0.

 

The winner of the final (23 heats, normal pointscoring, 3210, i Can email the race ard for you of i get an adress) recieves 4 match points, no 2 get 3 points, no 3 get 2 points, 0

points for no.

 

If ie holsted Wins the final they Will have 5 points.

 

I hope this explains it.

 

Way easier to explain in Danish, but still "complicated"

 

Peter

 

First of all many thanks and your answer is much appreciated by many i'm sure. Fortunately, most people in other countries speak two languages with English being the main second language.

 

Goodness Me! I don't think any of the translators i used would have come up with deciphering that format successfully lol.

 

So, as an example, if on the day the teams in the meeting finish Slangerup, Holsted, Fjelsted, Esbjerg then they'd all have four points and the finishing order in the final is the tiebreaker? - although a run-off would be necessary to determine meeting places if teams are level on race meeting points.

UPDATE: Just read this on the Fjelsted site that confirms exactly that "Further, the rule that if two teams together have equal points after the final, the winner will be one of the two teams that have performed best in the finals.This means that if the final example gives exactly the opposite result of the initial series, all all four teams having 4 points, but Slangerup will be declared the winner."

 

I know UK speedway has more than it's share of crazy rules and formats for competitions but you Danes are giving us a run for our money lol. Bad enough a season long league running pairs in a heat turns into a one rider per race format, but the final serves up a very manufactured result that like all play-off systems disregard the efforts of a team over a season.

 

I was going to publish a racecard myself but the format i see listed in the 2013 regulations shows 22 heats and not 23 as you refer to (always presuming it is the grid for the final)

 

Do you know the order the teams line up or when/if it will be made public ahead of the meeting? I can do a racecard if it's confirmed that it's actually the 22 heats listed in the regulations below and the team race order isn't kept secret ahead of the meeting lol.

 

http://www.dmusport.... 08 2013web.pdf

 

9.9 Dansk Speedway Liga – Slutspil

Fire holds matcher. 22 heats køreskema

Blanket S4.26

Heatformat:

Kører nr. / startposition

 

9.9 Danish Speedway League - Playoff Four teams' matches. 22 heats run scheme Form S4.26 Heat Format:

 

Driver numbers / starting position

Heat nr. Rød Blå Hvid Gul

1 4/3 1/2 4/1 2/4

2 3 2 2/1 3/4 1/3

3 2/1 4/3 1/2 3/4

4 1/2 3/1 2/4 4/3

5 5/1 5/2 5/3 5/4

6 4/4 2/3 1/1 4/2

7 3/1 1/4 2/2 3/3

8 2/4 3/3 4/2 1/1

9 1/3 4/4 3/1 2/2

Pause

10 4/2 4/1 2/3 1/4

11 3/4 3/2 1/3 2/1

12 2/3 1/1 3/2 4/4

13 1/4 2/2 4/3 3/1

14 5/4 5/3 5/2 5/1

15 3/3 4/2 4/4 4/1

16 4/1 3/4 3/3 3/2

17 2/2 2/4 2/1 2/3

18 1/1 1/3 1/4 1/2

19 5/2 5/1 5/4 5/3

Nomineret heat

20 n/3 n/4 n/1 n/2

21 n/4 n/1 n/2 n/3

22 n/2 n/3 n/4 n/1

 

I'm just wondering if there is a nominated heat missing in the regulations as the team in red doesn't get an inside gate with apparently only 3 nominated heats. But probably quite likely such an imbalance could exist, after all it's speedway so why have uniformity lol. In the UK Elite League teams don't even race against each other an even number of times to it's eternal shame!

Edited September 10, 2013 by manchesterpaul

[Peter S.]

.This means that if the final example gives exactly the opposite result of the initial series, all all four teams having 4 points, but Slangerup will be declared the winner."

Yes, that is correct. And it is 22 heats, not 23, my error.

[Jacqueline]

Leon Madsen will be replaced by Miroslav Jablonski tomorrow.

[manchesterpaul]

Yes, that is correct. And it is 22 heats, not 23, my error.

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Leon Madsen will be replaced by Miroslav Jablonski tomorrow.

 

Thanks for that info. Is Leon injured? At first glance i thought it's a big body blow for Slangerup but Miroslav has ridden two matches for them and finished in the top two in nine rides out of ten. Although i think Leon would be the preferred choice so it's not likely it's a tactical change?