Cockney Rebel Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 No not really but it got your attention didn't it? If I'd have put "Alternative to tac ride/tac sub" you'd have passed it over wouldn't you? As we all know the tac ride is probably the most disliked rule in the book but most of us understand that it's there to make meetings closer and therefore more exciting, so what are the alternatives? I was thinking back to the "good old days" when the likes of Barry Briggs, Ove Fundin and Peter Craven went off of a handicap and I thought, could we use something like that today instead of the dreaded tac/ride. When a team get four points or more in front their heat leaders would go off a ten metre handicap until the score got back down to less than six. Imagine the scenario, the turbo twins get a 5/1 in heat thirteen to put Poole 4 points up with no heat leaders in Heat 14 and therefore no handicap it could be drawn heat, come heat 15 with them both off a ten metre handicap and with both opposition heat leaders off the gate what a scrap would endure to at least get one of them past one of the oppostion to hang on for the win. I haven' trun an imaginary match in my head as it would hurt my brain too much, but I'm sure there's someone out there who will Just a thought! Would there be any promotor out there willing to try it out in a challenge match. I await your comments and if you disagree, as some undoubtedly will, please refrain form using such adjectives as, "moronic", "stupid" and "idiotic" it is after all only a suggestion and my own opinion. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 No not really but it got your attention didn't it? If I'd have put "Alternative to tac ride/tac sub" you'd have passed it over wouldn't you? As we all know the tac ride is probably the most disliked rule in the book but most of us understand that it's there to make meetings closer and therefore more exciting, so what are the alternatives? I was thinking back to the "good old days" when the likes of Barry Briggs, Ove Fundin and Peter Craven went off of a handicap and I thought, could we use something like that today instead of the dreaded tac/ride. When a team get four points or more in front their heat leaders would go off a ten metre handicap until the score got back down to less than six. Imagine the scenario, the turbo twins get a 5/1 in heat thirteen to put Poole 4 points up with no heat leaders in Heat 14 and therefore no handicap it could be drawn heat, come heat 15 with them both off a ten metre handicap and with both opposition heat leaders off the gate what a scrap would endure to at least get one of them past one of the oppostion to hang on for the win. I haven' trun an imaginary match in my head as it would hurt my brain too much, but I'm sure there's someone out there who will Just a thought! Would there be any promotor out there willing to try it out in a challenge match. I await your comments and if you disagree, as some undoubtedly will, please refrain form using such adjectives as, "moronic", "stupid" and "idiotic" it is after all only a suggestion and my own opinion. Thanks Another idea was tried at the recent indoor short-track meeting, the four riders started as normal and the tac sub came in as an extra rider and started behind the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 All ideas which have been either actually tried, or soon refused by the riders who deem it 'unsafe'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 The extra rider was a Jon Cook idea for the Craven Shield, the three-team tournament. "Furious Fives", I seem to remember being the tag. The fifth rider would be from the team not otherwise represented in the heat, so that there would be interest in every race for each group of supporters. But as Bwitcher notes, the riders didn't go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Craven and briggs i believe both disliked the handicap. i can imagine heat leaders today starting off a handicap would want extra money to compensate for lost points and extra strain on machinery etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Where's Suzy Perry? The question I would like to ask is - WHY do Speedway Meetings have to be kept close 'to maintain interest'. That is rubbish - we are talking about SPORT here. You either win or you lose - you do NOT con the Public by contriving Results. When Man. Utd. are 6-0 up against Sunderland shortly - I can't see Sir Alex Ferguson taking it too well if the F./A. says the next two Goals Sunderland score will count double. It's b****y RIDICULOUS!! :mad: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 When Man. Utd. are 6-0 up against Sunderland shortly - I can't see Sir Alex Ferguson taking it too well if the F./A. says the next two Goals Sunderland score will count double. It's b****y RIDICULOUS!! :mad: yes but it would be hilarious just to watch his head explode 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney Rebel Posted March 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 All ideas which have been either actually tried, or soon refused by the riders who deem it 'unsafe'. Don't see how two riders entering the first bend 10 metres behind the other two is unsafe while four riders entering the bend together isn't? OK several points well made but it was just a thought,.I'll go back to thinking about Suzy Perry now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Don't see how two riders entering the first bend 10 metres behind the other two is unsafe while four riders entering the bend together isn't? I'm not disagreeing. The most dangerous part of a speedway is the 1st corner to my mind.. but there are certain riders who would refuse the 15 metre tac sub rides as they deemed them dangerous. Personally I liked that rule and saw some fantastic races where Peter Karlsson managed to get up and take the full 6pts. However, other riders, Jason Crump being one of them.. refused to take them. Short changing the paying customer in my eyes.. but no doubt some will disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) Where's Suzy Perry? The question I would like to ask is - WHY do Speedway Meetings have to be kept close 'to maintain interest'. That is rubbish - we are talking about SPORT here. You either win or you lose - you do NOT con the Public by contriving Results. When Man. Utd. are 6-0 up against Sunderland shortly - I can't see Sir Alex Ferguson taking it too well if the F./A. says the next two Goals Sunderland score will count double. It's b****y RIDICULOUS!! :mad: Yes so true WK do they want 39.39 all (old format) every week? ent going to happen ever in sport and competition. If you have a poor year you try and improve the next year and i have seen 50.28 score lines which have been entertaining.Often the winning side were better, wouldn't be so bad if this new trying to even things up thing have improved crowds have they? Edited March 20, 2013 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Where's Suzy Perry? The question I would like to ask is - WHY do Speedway Meetings have to be kept close 'to maintain interest'. That is rubbish - we are talking about SPORT here. You either win or you lose - you do NOT con the Public by contriving Results. When Man. Utd. are 6-0 up against Sunderland shortly - I can't see Sir Alex Ferguson taking it too well if the F./A. says the next two Goals Sunderland score will count double. It's b****y RIDICULOUS!! :mad: That's true, But promoters will try anything to get punters in, it's always been more show than "sport" since John S Hoskins saw a golden opportunity to make money out of it. My pet hate is guests, they make a mockery of the whole thing. How come teams don't seem to have a contracted number eight any more? I think PL teams should have a number of regular NL riders as part of their squad and EL the same with a number of PL riders (at least it would be your team, rather than a select). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 We want Suzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 We want Suzy. Go on then - sorry for going ON Topic. :rofl: http://suziperry.com/index.php/gallery/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Not a lot wrong with Suzy. But going off (or is it on) topic, I used to love the old 'tac subs' but if we absolutely, positively must have the TR rule then at least change it so only the race winner is awarded double points and end the ridiculous situations of 2nd place scoring more than the winner and 3rd the same as 2nd. Oh and reinstate bonus points for 2nd & 3rd in 3-3s.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Yes so true WK do they want 39.39 all (old format) every week? ent going to happen ever in sport and competition. If you have a poor year you try and improve the next year and i have seen 50.28 score lines which have been entertaining.Often the winning side were better, wouldn't be so bad if this new trying to even things up thing have improved crowds have they? What do you mean this 'new trying to even things up'? They've been using tacs of some kind for a long long time and the fact (yes fact) is that the current tac rules even things up less than the rule of old. It's fine to dislike that aspect of the sport, but don't try and turn it into another then and now battle... As it was worse 'then'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I liked the old where a team was 6 behind bought in the number one rider replacing someone off form. Im sure most people attending would like to see the likes of Holder 6 times in one meeting. Dont see many 18pt maximums anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1944 Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I dislike tactical rides. If a team goes behind or is winning by a huge margin, then so be it. Years ago when I supported the Stars at Norwich we never had these tactical rides only the reserve could be brought in to replace a rider, I was never bored watching speedway then regardless of the result and went to every home meeting until they sold the track to build some pretty dire unattractive housing. We used to get far larger crowds then than they do anywhere today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I favour the idea of the losing team getting the pick of 1 & 3 or 2 & 4 gate. If the scores are even then positions are swapped each heat but as soon as one team is ahead the other gets gate choice. No massive advantage but maybe just enough to keep things closer for away teams without looking like 'it's a knockout' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I favour the idea of the losing team getting the pick of 1 & 3 or 2 & 4 gate. If the scores are even then positions are swapped each heat but as soon as one team is ahead the other gets gate choice. No massive advantage but maybe just enough to keep things closer for away teams without looking like 'it's a knockout' It is how it used to be, a team 6 behind had the choice of gates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Where's Suzy Perry? The question I would like to ask is - WHY do Speedway Meetings have to be kept close 'to maintain interest'. That is rubbish - we are talking about SPORT here. You either win or you lose - you do NOT con the Public by contriving Results. When Man. Utd. are 6-0 up against Sunderland shortly - I can't see Sir Alex Ferguson taking it too well if the F./A. says the next two Goals Sunderland score will count double. It's b****y RIDICULOUS!! :mad: Ah but away goals do count double in European 2 legged matches when the scores are level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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