Mad Potter 2 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Should riders with duel Nationality or British Parentage be allowed to race on a reduced average in the Premier League or ride in the National under 16 when first racing in the UK. Then change back to to another Nationality once they have an official average or reach 16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Should riders with duel Nationality or British Parentage be allowed to race on a reduced average in the Premier League or ride in the National under 16 when first racing in the UK. Then change back to to another Nationality once they have an official average or reach 16. No!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 No!! Ditto!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Nor in the EL!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Yes of course they should Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Potter 2 Posted March 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) Paulco I think they should not be allowed revet to a foreign nationality if they use duel passport or parentage to start racing in the UK. This means they are taking the place from a British rider. Edited March 20, 2013 by Mad Potter 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Paulco I think they should not be allowed revet to a foreign nationality if they use duel passport or parentage to start racing in the UK. This means they are taking the place from a British rider. I would open it up even more . The NL should be open to the likes of Mitchell Davey , Jake Anderson etc , who are perhaps that wee bit below PL standard , but could benefit from NL racing . Surely they would add more to the development of young British riders in regards to competition more than having old stagers like Jon Armstrong and Tony Atkins taking the places of youngsters . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 I would open it up even more . The NL should be open to the likes of Mitchell Davey , Jake Anderson etc , who are perhaps that wee bit below PL standard , but could benefit from NL racing . Surely they would add more to the development of young British riders in regards to competition more than having old stagers like Jon Armstrong and Tony Atkins taking the places of youngsters . Don't we have enough overseas riders here already? Personally, I would only allow them in the Elite league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Potter 2 Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I would open it up even more . The NL should be open to the likes of Mitchell Davey , Jake Anderson etc , who are perhaps that wee bit below PL standard , but could benefit from NL racing . Surely they would add more to the development of young British riders in regards to competition more than having old stagers like Jon Armstrong and Tony Atkins taking the places of youngsters . Paulco:- the National League was supposed to be for British riders. Not riders who can the change their Nationality when it suits them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior fan Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz Are we keeping you up Junior Fan ? . Dont get upset guys , i just think the NL should be open to Commonwealth riders too , regardless whether they have dual nationality or not . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Are we keeping you up Junior Fan ? . Dont get upset guys , i just think the NL should be open to Commonwealth riders too , regardless whether they have dual nationality or not . I think that the presence of the likes of Atkin and Armstrong is immensely beneficial to young riders in the NL and it why they should be allowed to continue there. I can remember a few years ago Tai Woffinden thanking Wayne Carter for the benefit of his experience when they were team mates at Scunthorpe in the old CL, and that will apply to Atkin and Armstrong too. The NL recognises that by allowing one rider over 30 in each team. I think NL teams should be allowed one foreign rider per team. The way I see it, it doesn't matter if they are from Australia or Uzbekistan, they won't be riding for team GB. Having one rider will not damage british youngsters to a huge degree (after all, its correct name is the NDL) and will allow teams to be more attractive to paying spectators. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 I think that the presence of the likes of Atkin and Armstrong is immensely beneficial to young riders in the NL and it why they should be allowed to continue there. I can remember a few years ago Tai Woffinden thanking Wayne Carter for the benefit of his experience when they were team mates at Scunthorpe in the old CL, and that will apply to Atkin and Armstrong too. The NL recognises that by allowing one rider over 30 in each team. I think NL teams should be allowed one foreign rider per team. The way I see it, it doesn't matter if they are from Australia or Uzbekistan, they won't be riding for team GB. Having one rider will not damage british youngsters to a huge degree (after all, its correct name is the NDL) and will allow teams to be more attractive to paying spectators. Sorry HT - I can't agree. There are already far to many Foreign Riders here already. The National League should be for British Riders only. In my opinion that is the only way we will develop as a Speedway Nation. Part of the reason for our current slide in to obscurity is due to us employing Foreigners in place of British talent. How disheartening must it be when some of these Foreigners are brought in by British Clubs and they are no better, and in some cases worse, than the British Riders who are struggling to find a Team place. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Potter 2 Posted March 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Sorry HT - I can't agree. There are already far to many Foreign Riders here already. The National League should be for British Riders only. In my opinion that is the only way we will develop as a Speedway Nation. Part of the reason for our current slide in to obscurity is due to us employing Foreigners in place of British talent. How disheartening must it be when some of these Foreigners are brought in by British Clubs and they are no better, and in some cases worse, than the British Riders who are struggling to find a Team place. The White Knight I totally agree with you. To many foreigners have destroyed British riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 I think that the presence of the likes of Atkin and Armstrong is immensely beneficial to young riders in the NL and it why they should be allowed to continue there. I can remember a few years ago Tai Woffinden thanking Wayne Carter for the benefit of his experience when they were team mates at Scunthorpe in the old CL, and that will apply to Atkin and Armstrong too. The NL recognises that by allowing one rider over 30 in each team. 100% agree, such riders have a wealth of experience to pass onto youngsters who need all the help they can get when tracks and set ups are new to them. I think NL teams should be allowed one foreign rider per team. The way I see it, it doesn't matter if they are from Australia or Uzbekistan, they won't be riding for team GB. Having one rider will not damage british youngsters to a huge degree (after all, its correct name is the NDL) and will allow teams to be more attractive to paying spectators. 100% disagree, the sport needs a lot more British riders. One rider per team might not seem too much but I firmly believe that every time you make it a bit harder to get a team place you lose 2 or 3 youngsters to other sports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Crew Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 What happens when these British lads move into the PL/EL and they suddenly start racing riders from around the world? As much as I am all for developing British lads, surely there is only so much wrapping them up in cotton wool you can do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 What happens when these British lads move into the PL/EL and they suddenly start racing riders from around the world? As much as I am all for developing British lads, surely there is only so much wrapping them up in cotton wool you can do? They don't move up without guest spots and doubling up, so nothing is sudden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 What happens when these British lads move into the PL/EL and they suddenly start racing riders from around the world? As much as I am all for developing British lads, surely there is only so much wrapping them up in cotton wool you can do? They will move up knowing that they have done their Training in the National League to Race against Speedway Riders from foreign Lands who have done their Training in THEIR homeland and not on our Tracks. Apart from anything else, that would give them a positive advantage. Why should WE be training Foreigners to ultimately take Team places from British lads - it doesn't make sense. British Tracks training Foreigners to beat us out of sight doesn't help British Speedway either. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Crew Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 I am neither for or against, but are we saying we are going to create this artificial environment for British riders in case the Foreign riders get too good? Its a bit xenophobic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 I am neither for or against, but are we saying we are going to create this artificial environment for British riders in case the Foreign riders get too good? Its a bit xenophobic? Not at all - it is sensible. We NEED British Speedway to get back to the top of the pile - we will not do this by giving facilities to Foreign Riders, in some cases (not all) not as good the British Riders who are being forced out. For some reason Promoters seem to think 'Foreign is BEST'. I have news for them sometimes they are right - but - more often they are WRONG. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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