Fourentee Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 I regularly play and purchase card based games such as this. Munchkin, Red Shirts, Chez Geek etc are all similarly priced to this product. You're paying for the playability and replay value, the concept, the artwork and so on. In gaming terms £18 is at the higher end; but not extortionate. Exactly. It's like the old rule of thumb for buying clothes: £1 per wear. If you spend £200 on a jacket (not that I ever do), love it and wear it incessantly then it's good value. Likewise with the £2 T-shirt you stick on when painting the house and only put on a few times. I've bought my share of duff games (usually speculative cheap purchases in charity shops) but have had many, many hours of pleasure from the ones I like. Perhaps we need a BSPA rule: "In the event of a rain-off, the referee will produce his official copy of MCS and invite the two captains to step forward..." Actually not as daft as some of the rules already in there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I still don't get it. clearly They'd be better uploading the cards to the internet and charging 50p for people to print them off themselves and use. you never buy a book? Amazing that some people would pay decent money for what is just printed paper. The publishers would be better off putting a pdf up on the net and charging people 50p to print it off. Pass on that business model to to JK Rowling, I'm sure she'll be very grateful... I've read his idea the same as you have. If his information gives me "absolutely no idea" then it's the same information that you're getting orgasmic about when you also have absolutely no idea either. The guy asked for opinions on whether he'd be able to sell his Top Trumps style Speedway cigarette card game to Speedway fans. Perhaps it says more about your ability to interpret information? If you think the game shown here is anything like Top Trumps then I can only take it that either a) you have no idea what Top Trumps is or you are not very bright or c) both I remember as a kid my favourite board game was Speedway Scene, I played that for hours, and that consisted of a laminated carboard board, about 50 "grading cards", three dice and four counters. The likes of top selling board games like Risk hardly have a lot in the way of sophisticated pieces - some cardboard and some mass produced plastic figures. Agree though that this is very much a niche product - i would think online would be the way to sell, perhaps a few copies in trackshops/games shops also. Advertising in likes of speedway star and online (targeting say facebook users who "like" particular speedwa groups). I think if the game is godd enough the target market would have no issue paying 15-20 quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I think they should have speedway monopoly "you hit a slick patch, go back three squares" or "Darcy ward passes you, you are out of the game" :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Hello everybody I am writing to let you know about a speedway card game called MCS (Moto-Craze Speedway) that we are about to release for Polish and (hopefully) English markets. The game consists of 110 cards and is a fast-paced simulation that allows 2 or 4 players play a full-fledged speedway meeting within just 40 minutes. It's been designed by a long-time speedway fan, thus contains all elements of speedway races (i.e. gating, charging, engine failures, falls). There is a low level of randomness (no dice involved - the game is more concerned with planning your strategy and making decisions) and high replay value. The game set-up looks more or less like that. I think it must have a Frank Ebdon referee card included. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 And my opinion is that someone would have to be barking mad to buy 100 bits of printed card for £18. It's clear from the overview posted earlier that there is rather more to it; however, that's your view and fair enough. But you, presumably, have leisure interests on which you're prepared to pay £18, be they books, music, cinema tickets, theatre, concerts -- or, indeed, admission to speedway matches -- and regard the return in terms of entertainment as well worth the outlay. Board/card gamers are no different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 you never buy a book? Amazing that some people would pay decent money for what is just printed paper. You mean you'd pay £18 for a book with just 100 small pages and half a dozen words on each page? I might buy a book for about a tenner with 50,000 words if it was a subject of interest. I could buy a pack of playing cards that could be used for poker, bridge, cribbage, whist, and hundreds of other games, and I'd expect to pay £2 or £3 for them. I certainly wouldn't pay £18 for a pack of cards and get all orgasmic about it just because they had a picture of speedway printed on them. I hope the poor sod who started this thread looks sensibly at his costings. If he starts producing thousands of packs of these cards expecting to sell them at an uneconomical price of £18 as people are encouraging him to do, then he could end up losing a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Card games? Seriously? People complain that speedway is in the dark ages with too many old people and rightly so, but what hope is there when a card game of a sport like speedway is considered entertainment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 You mean you'd pay £18 for a book with just 100 small pages and half a dozen words on each page? I might buy a book for about a tenner with 50,000 words if it was a subject of interest. I could buy a pack of playing cards that could be used for poker, bridge, cribbage, whist, and hundreds of other games, and I'd expect to pay £2 or £3 for them. I certainly wouldn't pay £18 for a pack of cards and get all orgasmic about it just because they had a picture of speedway printed on them. I hope the poor sod who started this thread looks sensibly at his costings. If he starts producing thousands of packs of these cards expecting to sell them at an uneconomical price of £18 as people are encouraging him to do, then he could end up losing a lot of money. Clearly there is little point in explaining things to you as you either don't read what is posted, or blatantly ignore it and post the same thing over and over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) I certainly wouldn't pay £18 for a pack of cards and get all orgasmic about it just because they had a picture of speedway printed on them. I hope the poor sod who started this thread looks sensibly at his costings. If he starts producing thousands of packs of these cards expecting to sell them at an uneconomical price of £18 as people are encouraging him to do, then he could end up losing a lot of money. Yes, some posters on here have expressed a general interest and a desire to take a look at the game and see what it's like. Just as you put it. Card games? Seriously? People complain that speedway is in the dark ages with too many old people and rightly so, but what hope is there when a card game of a sport like speedway is considered entertainment? Don't know. Perhaps I'll buy a copy and see what the wave of students and 20-somethings who attend games sessions think of it. Edited March 13, 2013 by Fourentee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I think they should have speedway monopoly "you hit a slick patch, go back three squares" or "Darcy ward passes you, you are out of the game" :-) Completely ludicrous notion! Monopoly is all about one person building an empire and stripping everyone else of their cash. What's that got to do with speedway? Building houses and hotels on tracks is pretty realistic I grant you... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Completely ludicrous notion! Monopoly is all about one person building an empire and stripping everyone else of their cash. What's that got to do with speedway? Building houses and hotels on tracks is pretty realistic I grant you... You obviously don't remember Mike Parker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 You obviously don't remember Mike Parker. The joke went right over your head there did it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 The joke went right over your head there did it. Most of the thread has I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Most of the thread has I think. Yes it has, I can't understand how so many people can be bothered about a rather pathetic (just my opinion) card game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I can't understand how so many people can be bothered about a rather pathetic (just my opinion) card game. What particular part of the game do you find pathetic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Yes it has, I can't understand how so many people can be bothered about a rather pathetic (just my opinion) card game. I imagine many of the thousands of attendees at Britain's gaming conventions have a similar opinion of speedway. i.e. Why be bothered? Fortunately, there's room in the world for both groups, and even for a few of us with a foot in both camps. If you're not interested in the product that's fine, but don't make the mistake of assuming that there's no market for this type of game. Many card based strategy games are available at specialist game shops across the country, and online. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 What particular part of the game do you find pathetic? All of it, but then I don't play games......And it is just my opinion. If others like it, fair enough. I imagine many of the thousands of attendees at Britain's gaming conventions have a similar opinion of speedway. i.e. Why be bothered? Fortunately, there's room in the world for both groups, and even for a few of us with a foot in both camps. If you're not interested in the product that's fine, but don't make the mistake of assuming that there's no market for this type of game. Many card based strategy games are available at specialist game shops across the country, and online. I didn't "assume" any such thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 All of it, but then I don't play games......And it is just my opinion. If others like it, fair enough. I didn't "assume" any such thing. You've assumed everything. You are labelling a product 'pathetic' yet you have no idea what it is. That's not an opinion. That's just you making something up to attack a product. Forgive me for asking, if you don't play 'games' and have no interest in games, why are you posting your ill-informed opinion regarding it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatwick Rocket Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I am a speedway fan and think this game looks interesting. Do the rules change every year?! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 You've assumed everything. You are labelling a product 'pathetic' yet you have no idea what it is. That's not an opinion. That's just you making something up to attack a product. Forgive me for asking, if you don't play 'games' and have no interest in games, why are you posting your ill-informed opinion regarding it? Because I can! And because it was actually a response to other posts.I do have as much idea what it is, as anyone else here, so I'm no more "ill-informed" than any other commenter. If anyone else wishes to buy it or play it, fair enough, that's their thing.....It just isn't mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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