racers and royals Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) this season`s rule book is on-line here http://www.scbgb.co....REGULATIONS.pdf Something i have just seen is that a missing D/U rider in the top 5 is replaced by R/R and if a D/U is at reserve then a PL guest is used. Edited March 4, 2013 by racers and royals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Thanks R&R. but it couldn't really work without r/r imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted March 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Thanks R&R. but it couldn't really work without r/r imo. i agree but did they have 2nd thoughts-because that wasn`t what they said in the press release post conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 I think they probably had 2nd thoughts as soon as the Good Friday fixtures were agreed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Another one that's sneaked in unannounced is that a match result can now be declared after 10 heats instead of 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) this season`s rule book is on-line here http://www.scbgb.co....REGULATIONS.pdf Something i have just seen is that a missing D/U rider in the top 5 is replaced by R/R and if a D/U is at reserve then a PL guest is used. i think the issue here is that too many people listened to TNT. I don't want to say I told you so but.... So a doubling up rider DOES use his EL average when riding in the EL, shock horror. It never made any sense for an EL rider to use his PL average. Edited March 4, 2013 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted March 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 i think the issue here is that too many people listened to TNT. I don't want to say I told you so but.... So a doubling up rider DOES use his EL average when riding in the EL, shock horror. It never made any sense for an EL rider to use his PL average. However the BSPA in their announcements post conference only said-missing D/U replaced by PL guest,so have they had 2nd thoughts about riders in the 1 to 5 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 However the BSPA in their announcements post conference only said-missing D/U replaced by PL guest,so have they had 2nd thoughts about riders in the 1 to 5 ? Or more likely they just didn't announce everything. "guest"/"facility" are pretty inter changeable. I'm not seeing the issue here if I'm honest, this is makes far more sense than was being suggested/rumoured/announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 ..........................once again a new Rule Book. Once again changes and once again no-one seems to know what the hell is going on. :angry: BSPA or whoever is responsible for this annual cock up - why don't you listen to your Customers? FOR GOD'S SAKE LEAVE THE BLOOD* RULES ALONE!!! Unless you want to get rid of the stupid 'Double Points' Rule. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 ..........................once again a new Rule Book. Once again changes and once again no-one seems to know what the hell is going on. :angry: BSPA or whoever is responsible for this annual cock up - why don't you listen to your Customers? FOR GOD'S SAKE LEAVE THE BLOOD* RULES ALONE!!! Unless you want to get rid of the stupid 'Double Points' Rule. I don't see what they have done wrong. Things are simpler than were being suggested. The biggest issue isn't the rules but fans making up rules than then get taken as gospel. Quite simply, if a double up rider is missing you get the same facility as if any other rider was missing. The only difference is the PL guest has to have an EL and a convert PL average lower than the missing double upper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) We've had "The White Knight" saying, "FOR GOD'S SAKE LEAVE THE BLOODY RULES ALONE!!!' followed by "SCB" making the comment, "The biggest issue isn't the rules but fans making up rules than then get taken as gospel." Mmmm.... can't help but wonder if another forum member is going to suggest those attending meetings should be asked to sing "The Hallelujah Chorus" prior to racing commencing? (Sorry, couldn't resist! ) Edited March 4, 2013 by Bryn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 We've had "The White Knight" saying, "FOR GOD'S SAKE LEAVE THE BLOODY RULES ALONE!!!' followed by "SCB" making the comment, "The biggest issue isn't the rules but fans making up rules than then get taken as gospel." Mmmm.... can't help but wonder if another forum member is going to suggest those attending meetings should be asked to sing "The Hallelujah Chorus" prior to racing commencing? (Sorry, couldn't resist! ) Hallelujah!!! Bryn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Another one that's sneaked in unannounced is that a match result can now be declared after 10 heats instead of 12. Not sneaked in - it was announced after the AGM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 We've had "The White Knight" saying, "FOR GOD'S SAKE LEAVE THE BLOODY RULES ALONE!!!' followed by "SCB" making the comment, "The biggest issue isn't the rules but fans making up rules than then get taken as gospel." Mmmm.... can't help but wonder if another forum member is going to suggest those attending meetings should be asked to sing "The Hallelujah Chorus" prior to racing commencing? (Sorry, couldn't resist! ) Then we shall all have to stand at that moment, Bryn. Only two weeks and a bit to go now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 15.9.3 In a Team Competition, a Rider shall be awarded a Bonus Point if s/he finishes in 2nd or 3rd place immediately behind his/her partner, this shall not count towards the Meeting score. Was there a change of plan re. not paying 3rd place bonus in the PL? No clarification offered anywhere in the regs I can find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 15.9.3 In a Team Competition, a Rider shall be awarded a Bonus Point if s/he finishes in 2nd or 3rd place immediately behind his/her partner, this shall not count towards the Meeting score. Was there a change of plan re. not paying 3rd place bonus in the PL? No clarification offered anywhere in the regs I can find. Did the BSPA ever announce it themselves? Or was it another of them "leaked rules" that it turns out was made up? As it never made any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Did the BSPA ever announce it themselves? Or was it another of them "leaked rules" that it turns out was made up? As it never made any sense. A few riders tweeted it im sure Craig Cook was one. If that rule is indeed true how would that be policed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Did the BSPA ever announce it themselves? Or was it another of them "leaked rules" that it turns out was made up? As it never made any sense. It was probably mooted, leaked and then ditched when people pointed out the issues, not least of all being I'm sure the riders were decidedly unhappy. ---------------------------------------------- Some changes in the NL for this year that haven't been mentioned. 17.9 A NATIONAL DEVELOPMENT LEAGUE Team’s initial Declaration will consist of 7 Riders whose total MA must not exceed 40.00 points (for 2012, 2013 & 2014)be It needed to be changed or adhered to. Off the top of my head only 3 teams had 'legal' initial declarations last season, but not a word about it from the SCB. I'm disappointed by this changes though. I'd like to have seen 8 riders enforced and a rule stated if one of your reserves is missing your 8th rider replaces him. If he is out too then a guest up to his average. If both reserves are out your number 8 for the lower and a guest for the higher averaging rider. That would have given a chance for a few rides to more young riders, similar to Ritchings had with the Heathens before being elevated into the main team of 7. 17.9.1 It must also not exceed 40.00 points when re-declared (permanent or temporary) except where the MA of the introduced Rider is equal to, or lower than the Rider being replaced. 17.9.2 Initial Team Declarations may include: 17.9.2.1 Riders with a PL MA of 6.00 or below if they are not declared in a PL 1–7 at the start of the season, although any such Rider who moves back into the PL will be ineligible if he has a PL MA of 5.00 or above. NB. A Rider with a PL MA of 5.00 or below joining a NL Team after losing a PL Team place may not remain in the NL Team if he subsequently gains a PL Team place, Still trying to fully digest this and ponder the potential implications. 17.9.2.2 A current PL Rider under 25 years-old with a PL MA of 4.00 or below at the start of the Season. 17.9.2.3 Only one established (ie. has achieved a League MA) Rider over 30 years old, unless that Rider continues to ride for the same team as in the previous season. 17.9.2.4 One new (no previous Team appearance) Rider over 30 years old Makes sense I s'pose. 17.9.3 All Riders must hold a UK Passport or have UK Patriality. 17.9.3.1 Riders qualifying by UK Patriality will be given an assessed MA of 5.00 17.9.4 A Rider taken out of a Team cannot be re-introduced into that Team within 14 days. 17.9.5 Where a Rider has both a previous PL & NL MA, the highest will apply. 17.9.6 Where a Rider is declared in both a PL & NL Team, the PL Team shall have priority, except that a PL Rider nominated for the NLRC must appear in the NLRC. 17.9.7 It is mandatory for Riders to appear in the NL 4TT, NL BP & NLRC; Riders will be suspended from their next 2 Home Meetings in contravention, subject to MC confirmation This should have been clarified. My understanding is that in the 4TT and BP it's only mandatory if the club have selected said rider, meaning you are not necessarily represented by your top 4 or 2 riders. In the NLRC the top riders plus the best of the rest as nominated must appear. Also it seems that PL can call on their riders if there's a clash with the 4TT and BP because although the rule on the NLRC specifically states the NL takes priority the rule on the 4TT and BP does not. Therefore the PL clubs uses the rule that PL clubs' meetings take priority. There is ambiguity that would have been easy to eradicate. 17.9.8 In the case of a dispute regarding the Line-Up the matter may be referred to the NL CoOrdinator, but will have the same validity as it were taken under SR 18.1.3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Aaaaahhhh me!! Rules, Rules, Rules, Rules, Rules they certainly know how to confuse and exasperate us poor Supporters at the BSPA. :sad: Four blokes haring around a Track - how COMPLICATED can it get? Very - it seems.................................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 A lovely touch by the SCB with the printed rule-book - it features a picture montage of the late Lee Richardson on the front cover. Brought a tear to my eye when it arrived this morning I can tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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