TesarRacing Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Amasing how many suddenly change their opinion of Matt. This is something everybody at poole already knows. I don't think many have changed their opinion of MF. I said in my previous post that this is the way that I would expect him to handle the situation but of course it has been handled in a way that is the best interests of Poole Speedway anyway - nothing wrong with that. But as SCB has already said, he will still manipulate rules etc to gain a advantage for Poole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I can't believe you lot on here. On one thread your persecuting a genuine, decent man and the next thread your singing the praises of the most selfish and calculated man in Speedway. I for one, wouldn't believe anything Matt Ford said, and what ever he did say, was a calculated response. It most certainly didn't come from the heart. Whereas with Neil, we have a sincere genuine person would help anybody being persecuted for saying the wrong things when he was first asked for his view. If he had the opportunity to see the backlash first, then probably he would have said something different. So please don't compare these two as if Matt Ford is some kind of messiah ...... Give me Neil any day..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Unfortunately from now on Darcy is going to be labelled as a convicted drug user, however exciting he is, any excitement and success will have this shadow around it. But on a brighter note, with the Sport so low in the public gaize, it will not even reach anyone outside the SStar and Poole Echo. I feel very sorry for Middlo in all this, as he's been dragged into a swamp three times now by the same rider, Neil is a very genuine,and decent guy, who will always answer you honestly, he's probably too genuine for his own good, as it would be far more convenient to cheat and lie. Any reason why Matt Ford can't replace the Pope now he's retired, with all the people being converted on here, he'd be good for the Catholic Church. Edited February 22, 2013 by Lord Skid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) I don't think many have changed their opinion of MF. I said in my previous post that this is the way that I would expect him to handle the situation but of course it has been handled in a way that is the best interests of Poole Speedway anyway - nothing wrong with that. But as SCB has already said, he will still manipulate rules etc to gain a advantage for Poole. As every other Promoter does to their own advantage! Unfortunately from now on Darcy is going to be labelled as a convicted drug user, however exciting he is, any excitement and success will have this shadow around it. But on a brighter note, with the Sport so low in the public gaize, it will not even reach anyone outside the SStar and Poole Echo. I feel very sorry for Middlo in all this, as he's been dragged into a swamp three times now by the same rider, Neil is a very genuine,and decent guy, who will always answer you honestly, he's probably too genuine for his own good, as it would be far more convenient to cheat and lie. Any reason why Matt Ford can't replace the Pope now he's retired, with all the people being converted on here, he'd be good for the Catholic Church. ...but he hasn't been convicted!!! He's been fined for a number of 'minor' offences which he owned up to. Maybe - just maybe - Middlo was commenting in the Echo on what he knew really happened on 29.12.12 (rather than the Echo repeating an Aussie paper story) - a few lads messing about with a 50cc pit bike at 0430 hours on a bit of parkland at the back of his parents house!! Edited February 22, 2013 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 As every other Promoter does to their own advantage! ...but he hasn't been convicted!!! He's been fined for a number of 'minor' offences which he owned up to. Maybe - just maybe - Middlo was commenting in the Echo on what he knew really happened on 29.12.12 (rather than the Echo repeating an Aussie paper story) - a few lads messing about with a 50cc pit bike at 0430 hours on a bit of parkland at the back of his parents house!! So you are saying he has been fined for something he didn't do.Playing with words IMO.What did he own up too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Unfortunately from now on Darcy is going to be labelled as a convicted drug user, You have evidence of this then? If not delete it, it's highly libelous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 You have evidence of this then? If not delete it, it's highly libelous. It's a statement of fact. He pleaded guilty to using drugs, he's even admitted it in his official statement if there was any doubt the Aussie legal system was misquoting him. Thus he is a convicted drug user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 You have evidence of this then? If not delete it, it's highly libelous. Yes. Darcy Ward pleaded guilty. As every other Promoter does to their own advantage! ...but he hasn't been convicted!!! He's been fined for a number of 'minor' offences which he owned up to. Maybe - just maybe - Middlo was commenting in the Echo on what he knew really happened on 29.12.12 (rather than the Echo repeating an Aussie paper story) - a few lads messing about with a 50cc pit bike at 0430 hours on a bit of parkland at the back of his parents house!! Darcy has done the right thing by issuing a statement and apologising for his actions. Its a shame some of his sycophants can't accept, as he seems to have done, that he has done wrong. As Darcy himself has admitted, he wasn't just riding his bike on some parkland. In his statement he admits riding his bike (and if he is fleeing from the police, which you conveniently ignore, it will be at some speed) down an alleyway. Hardly 'parkland'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I can't believe you lot on here. On one thread your persecuting a genuine, decent man and the next thread your singing the praises of the most selfish and calculated man in Speedway. I for one, wouldn't believe anything Matt Ford said, and what ever he did say, was a calculated response. It most certainly didn't come from the heart. Whereas with Neil, we have a sincere genuine person would help anybody being persecuted for saying the wrong things when he was first asked for his view. If he had the opportunity to see the backlash first, then probably he would have said something different. So please don't compare these two as if Matt Ford is some kind of messiah ...... Give me Neil any day..... The thread is not about whether Middlo is a good bloke or whether Matt Ford is selfish. It is about Matt Ford's handling of a particular situation. Ford and Middlo were approached by a news paper to comment on the criminal conviction of one of their riders. Ford did the right thing when faced with embarrassing publicity. You deal with the story, make the right noises, wrestle it to the ground and kill it. Whatever people think of Ford he handled it correctly on this occasion. Middlo did the opposite-he tried to explain, justify or defend Wards actions and in doing so has now made the story a bigger issue than the crime itself. Nothing to do with whether he is a nice bloke. If Middlo had said nothing and let his boss do the talking this would be yesterdays news by now. Middlo's remarks have ensured it will run on for a while yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 The $5500 fine was for 'fleeing from the Police' - a minimum fine introduced in 2012. The 2-year disqualification was for offences related to not having a licence. Although admitting the offences the 'conviction' is not recorded on his 'file'! The parkland is at the back of his parent's house and the alleyway down the side of the property! A stupid thing to do nonetheless! Incidentally, it would be interesting to know what the punishment would have been if he'd just stopped and stayed with the Police? Just a disqualification presumably?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipswich Jules Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I still think Matt Ford would sell his granny to gain an advantage over the rest of the league and will screw anyone over he has to. just because he's handled this one situation well doesn't mean he's suddenly in line for a sainthood in my opinion. ^ This The $5500 fine was for 'fleeing from the Police' - a minimum fine introduced in 2012. The 2-year disqualification was for offences related to not having a licence. Although admitting the offences the 'conviction' is not recorded on his 'file'! The parkland is at the back of his parent's house and the alleyway down the side of the property! A stupid thing to do nonetheless! Incidentally, it would be interesting to know what the punishment would have been if he'd just stopped and stayed with the Police? Just a disqualification presumably?! I believe (from reading elsewhere on this forum) that in Australian law an admission of guilt means a recording of a conviction isn't necessary - I assume because he hasn't been convicted by his peers due to the admission of guilt. Doesn't change the fact that guilty it still guilty - whether it's a confession or a conviction by judge and jury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 It's a statement of fact. He pleaded guilty to using drugs, he's even admitted it in his official statement if there was any doubt the Aussie legal system was misquoting him. Thus he is a convicted drug user. He hasn't been convicted of any drugs offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 He hasn't been convicted of any drugs offence. And still some folk want to just drag it on and on and on. You're doing the lad no favours. He's held his hands up and admitted he did wrong. Move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 And still some folk want to just drag it on and on and on. You're doing the lad no favours. He's held his hands up and admitted he did wrong. Move on. He hasn't earned any favours and doesn't deserve any . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) An explanation of being found guilty, with no conviction:- In the courts, lawyers often argue that their client should be spared a criminal record by "avoiding a conviction". Lawyers will submit that the court should not record a conviction as this may hamper their client's job prospects. Magistrates and Judges will sometimes act on these submissions as a measure of lenience to the offender if this is seen to be in the public interest. Victorian sentencing law requires the courts to take these issues into account. Victorian law permits courts to find a person guilty of an offence but not proceed to record a conviction. This can be done when adjourning a case on condition of good behaviour or when giving a fine or correction order. A conviction must be recorded when a more severe penalty is imposed, such as a sentence of imprisonment. If the court is considering whether or not to record a conviction, the law states that all circumstances of the case must be considered when making the decision. These circumstances include the nature of the offence, the character and past history of the offender and the impact of recording of a conviction on the offender's economic or social well-being or employment prospects (s.8 Sentencing Act 1991 (Vic) ("Sentencing Act"). This statement of legal principle may give the impression that not recording a conviction will protect the offender from harm to their social well-being or employment prospects. Unfortunately this is not always so. Under the Victoria Police policy relating to criminal records, employers and others you authorise to access or receive your police record will be informed of findings of guilt made against you, regardless of whether a conviction is recorded or not. Police may also list an offence on your record if you have been charged and the case is awaiting hearing, or even if you are only a suspect under investigation. Link to the information:-http://www.lawhandbook.org.au/handbook/ch04s06s01.php Edited February 22, 2013 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 How many more, Poole, Ford, Ward threads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 He hasn't been convicted of any drugs offence. This question of legal semantics may interest you greatly but it is of very little help to Mr Ward by perpetuating the discussion. He pleaded guilty to driving under the influence of liquor or a drug (plus other offences). He had admitted to having smoked cannabis when questioned by Police at the scene. He has since admitted in his own statement to same. He was convicted at Magistrates Court of driving under the influence of liquor or a drug (plus other offences). That conviction is entered as 'not recorded against your name' as is allowed under Australian Law. Under this law you are still guilty, you have still been convicted. That conviction will still appear on things like Police computers and it will still be held against you if you are convicted of other offences in the future. You just don't have it against our name in situations like applying for a job. It remains to be seen how it will affect Mr Ward. At places like border control it will all depend on exactly the question he is asked. If asked 'Have you any convictions recorded against your name?' ... He will be able to say 'No' and go on his way. But if asked 'Have you been found guilty, or been convicted, of an offence?' ... He will have to give a full disclosure. Then it may very well matter a great deal about what those authorities judge to be the semantics of his guilty plea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 He's admitted smoking dope but the police didn't charge him with possesion. FFS how many members on this forum have smoked a joint, even the president of the USA admitted it (but he didn't inhale lol). Let the person who hath not sinned cast the first stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) He's admitted smoking dope but the police didn't charge him with possesion. FFS how many members on this forum have smoked a joint, even the president of the USA admitted it (but he didn't inhale lol). Let the person who hath not sinned cast the first stone. I'll happily chuck a stone in your direction just to register my lack of drug taking. If it helps. Edited February 22, 2013 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Unfortunately from now on Darcy is going to be labelled as a convicted drug user, however exciting he is, any excitement and success will have this shadow around it. But on a brighter note, with the Sport so low in the public gaize, it will not even reach anyone outside the SStar and Poole Echo. I feel very sorry for Middlo in all this, as he's been dragged into a swamp three times now by the same rider, Neil is a very genuine,and decent guy, who will always answer you honestly, he's probably too genuine for his own good, as it would be far more convenient to cheat and lie. Any reason why Matt Ford can't replace the Pope now he's retired, with all the people being converted on here, he'd be good for the Catholic Church. As far as drugs are concerned I will agree with Middlo that they seem the norm for many young people. It's sad to say but drugs are too easily available and too easily accepted by young people. Including fags and booze ....... b4 anyone says anything! He's admitted smoking dope but the police didn't charge him with possesion. FFS how many members on this forum have smoked a joint, even the president of the USA admitted it (but he didn't inhale lol). Let the person who hath not sinned cast the first stone. Arise Saint Theresa Edited February 22, 2013 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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