speedibee Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Not all steel valves used in speedway engines are regrindable. If they ain't they should be !! and they don't cost as much as titanium .!! are you an immigrant from a country that supplies Titanium ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Genuine question from someone with no technical know how whatsoever - What would be the estimated time advantage over the course of four laps if one were to use titanium? I doubt it's significant. In which case just don't use titanium. Surely the regulations will not state titanium must be used!? If a handful of riders want to splash out on something that is probably not going to make any real difference then that's up them, surely? It doesn't mean everyone has to jump on the bandwagon. You can't moan about something you're choosing to do. It would be the same as riders moaning about having expensive paint jobs on their helmets or a fancy custom job on the van. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Genuine question from someone with no technical know how whatsoever - What would be the estimated time advantage over the course of four laps if one were to use titanium? I doubt it's significant. In which case just don't use titanium. Surely the regulations will not state titanium must be used!? If a handful of riders want to splash out on something that is probably not going to make any real difference then that's up them, surely? It doesn't mean everyone has to jump on the bandwagon. You can't moan about something you're choosing to do. It would be the same as riders moaning about having expensive paint jobs on their helmets or a fancy custom job on the van. As I have said in an earlier post, this will only be an issue for GP type riders who a, can afford it and b, think it will make a definate difference. To the regular PL and NL rider it will be the rider that makes the difference, not the titanium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Yeah, I saw your post and I agree (though no technical knowledge to back it up). Surely to EL riders, and probably half GP riders, it will be the case that it's simply not worth the expense too? I don't see why anyone would be up-in-arms about it being allowed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 As I have said in an earlier post, this will only be an issue for GP type riders who a, can afford it and b, think it will make a definate difference. To the regular PL and NL rider it will be the rider that makes the difference, not the titanium. I agree it wont make a difference but both pl and nl riders will want and will get these titanium parts. Why do they use straight back ends instead of loops. No difference in performance but double in price. Why do riders insist on straight pull wheels with fancy anadised rims?. They dont spin any faster than a standard jawa ones ,they will buy these bits. This decision is insanity with no benifits apart from the manufacturers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 I agree it wont make a difference but both pl and nl riders will want and will get these titanium parts. Why do they use straight back ends instead of loops. No difference in performance but double in price. Why do riders insist on straight pull wheels with fancy anadised rims?. They dont spin any faster than a standard jawa ones ,they will buy these bits. This decision is insanity with no benifits apart from the manufacturers It wont make any difference for the GP riders either they wont go any faster because they wont be able to get the grip but they wont be worrying about the cost either .. Long term everyone will have to use the stuff . In a limited market the choices are also limited . so Gm and Jawa will makes engines with Titanium parts and no option for steel or normal aluminium . so as the engines get sold on , premier and national league riders will be buying engines with Titanium parts in them and will have no choice at service than to replace worn stuff with the titanium as it was built with . If Titanium was not far more expensive why has it's use been banned by the Scb for 30 years ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 So why don't the riders simply boycott titanium parts and agree not to use them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) So why don't the riders simply boycott titanium parts and agree not to use them? Will the likes of Gollob , Hancock Hampel ,and especailly Andreas Jonsson etc boycott anything for the good of all , or will they grasp the chance of a tiny advantage and not care about the overall health of speedway or the costs to riders who dont have major sponsors to buy the super parts , Will they F*ck .. so off we go . Gm change production to Titanium followed by Jawa (if someone buys the Business ) and the waterfall is set in motion . 3 years time all engines will contain titanium . and guess who loses out again . yes you do because you will be paying £30 to get in to a meeting . Edited February 12, 2013 by speedibee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 The whole of speedway must use titanium because four GP riders, two of whom aren't going to be around too much longer one would think, may use it? I do follow your logic in that if it's used widely at the top that it will filter down to the rest over the next few years though. I just think more fool the riders if they are daft enough to pay out a lot of money on something that apparently simply isn't worth the cost. Like I said - it's like paying for an expensive paint job on your helmet then moaning it costs twice the price of an off-the-shelf one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 The whole of speedway must use titanium because four GP riders, two of whom aren't going to be around too much longer one would think, may use it? I do follow your logic in that if it's used widely at the top that it will filter down to the rest over the next few years though. I just think more fool the riders if they are daft enough to pay out a lot of money on something that apparently simply isn't worth the cost. Like I said - it's like paying for an expensive paint job on your helmet then moaning it costs twice the price of an off-the-shelf one. my BP has just reached 165/ 95 so this is going to be my last word on this subject between me and you , I only quoted those 4 GP riders as an example. once one has it all will have to, just in case it is of a tiny advantage . those bikes will soon be used in polish extraleague and british elite league ,so within weeks all the worlds best riders will have titanium engines ( No dont even think about it . I mean engines with tianium parts in them !!!)so the waterfall is well underway in no time !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 This decision should of been based on how many extra people titanium will pull through the turnstiles. The answer is none. Ban it. It has no benifit for speedway at all. Nobody wants ity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Maybe they buy them because they like the way they look. By using your analogy everyone should drive a ford fiesta because they do 70mph just as we'll as a Ferrari It can just be to personal taste. Not everything is there to go faster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 are you an immigrant from a country that supplies Titanium ? Yes Massa...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Yes Massa...... :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 . By using your analogy everyone should drive a ford fiesta because they do 70mph just as we'll as a Ferrari But if everyone was driving a ford fiesta its a level playing field because its not litterd with faster ferraris . And it would be a better sport for it. I know they buy these parts for the look, im one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Maybe they buy them because they like the way they look. By using your analogy everyone should drive a ford fiesta because they do 70mph just as we'll as a Ferrari It can just be to personal taste. Not everything is there to go faster Would a Ferrari owner moan his car cost more than a Fiesta and if he did would he not be told he should have stuck with the trusty Ford instead? If as Dean suggests nobody wants titanium nobody should buy it and then there wouldn't be a problem. If riders start to buy it then it is they that are creating the problem by buying into, literally, something that they don't need. I'm not blindly a FIM/ACU/SCB/BSPA supporter but in this case I can't see why they're being criticised for saying use it if you want to. One could argue they're simply bringing the sport into the 21st century by not banning its use but they're not forcing anyone's hand by saying it must be used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) Would a Ferrari owner moan his car cost more than a Fiesta and if he did would he not be told he should have stuck with the trusty Ford instead? If as Dean suggests nobody wants titanium nobody should buy it and then there wouldn't be a problem. If riders start to buy it then it is they that are creating the problem by buying into, literally, something that they don't need. I'm not blindly a FIM/ACU/SCB/BSPA supporter but in this case I can't see why they're being criticised for saying use it if you want to. One could argue they're simply bringing the sport into the 21st century by not banning its use but they're not forcing anyone's hand by saying it must be used. There future of speedway has got to be a level playing field and this is going the opposite way and just adding extra cost that is not needed Speedway is littered with parts that are no better than the basic ones but riders at all levels buy them cause of the "gp riders use it" and titanium will be no different. All this is doing is making speedway more and more about the engine and less about the rider and that will be the end of speedway Edited February 12, 2013 by THE DEAN MACHINE 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Potter 2 Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) There future of speedway has got to be a level playing field and this is going the opposite way and just adding extra cost that is not needed Speedway is littered with parts that are no better than the basic ones but riders at all levels buy them cause of the "gp riders use it" and titanium will be no different. All this is doing is making speedway more and more about the engine and less about the rider and that will be the end of speedway Why not just let the 15 full time GP riders do what they want with their supper charged missiles. That are easy to ride full throttle on slick tracks but throw them towards the fence with dirt on. Then for league matches the rest can run standard bikes with GP bikes band. Edited February 12, 2013 by Mad Potter 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Why not just let the 15 full time GP riders do what they want with their supper charged missiles. That are easy to ride full throttle on slick tracks but throw them towards the fence with dirt on. Then for league matches the rest can run standard bikes with GP bikes band. I have questioned before why its still not banned for league matches and just let the gp riders use it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 So why don't the riders simply boycott titanium parts and agree not to use them? Cos they have to beat Ward!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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