f-s-p Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Remember brass darts? It goes back a few years doesn't it? But then along came tungsten darts...and with the option of TITANIUM stems too! Well every pub player had to have them didn't they? The chance of cramming more darts into that treble twenty was too hard to resist. But do you think that the standard of pub darts improved in the slightest? And correct me if I'm wrong they still use plastic on WC-level for the middle piece? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 So basically he thought he'd beat everybody because he has the kit to do it... Thats not what I meant in the original post. Finished reading the silencer story on the latest Spar 5 minutes ago where it says that with the new titanium valves Jan Andersson can produce 1,5 hp more from an engine. If they now take out 75hp easily, what are you gonna do with an extra 1,5 if your clutches are Jawa and your mental toughness can be swiped from the track in pieces every time you were meant to pass someone from the outside... you have completely lost me !! make your mind up , one minute if your head is right you can win races on substandard equipment the next a load of waffle about clutches and mental toughness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 titanium valves ,conrods, valve rockers look good do they ? you have never seen any of these items or will ever understand the difference they make or the expense of them . thats more than likely why the Technical committee allowed the use of twit because they thought it looked good and made them look like they knew what they were talking about . I'm a engineer with letters after my name (don't pay to use them though)... I probably know a lot more than you think. I was simply helping the OP decide whether they really needed to use titanium parts, that was all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 you have completely lost me !! make your mind up , one minute if your head is right you can win races on substandard equipment the next a load of waffle about clutches and mental toughness My fault probably, I assume things at times and expect things from the people I speak with. But you have Ozzy as your avatar,or whatever it's called! Anyway... Not substandard, but standard as I usually try to point out in this kind of discussions. Not necessarily Jawa Divisov factory standard, but something any rider or me can go out and purchase. Which in this case means engine parts from steel, not triple the price one sixth of a lifespan titanium valves that possibly give you 1,5hp more and are absolutely useless to anyone who cant make an outside pass anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 This isn't the riders decision but the FIM, it's ridiculous, speedway doesn't need anything that makes it even more expensive to race, the FIM are out of touch surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 This is a story told to me by Arthur Sissis' father.A rival of Arthur in Australia had a brand new bike bought for him.In the first meeting he didn't do as well as expected.His father,rather irate took the bike back to the shop and told the guy he had sold him a duff and wanted his money back.The guy who owned the shop the asked if Arthur would ride the bike in the next meeting,which he did and which he won.The father of his rival wanted to know what had been changed on the bike and wouldn't have it that it was in the same condition as when his son rode it.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 So basically he thought he'd beat everybody because he has the kit to do it... Thats not what I meant in the original post. No why do you say these things if you don't know ? According to Lewis he rode an upright for a bit of fun because his own bikes are in pieces being prepared for the season. Nothing to do with thinking he would beat everybody. Don't know where you got that from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 SCB/BSPA are working on rev limiters to save stress and expense on engines but then allow the use of expensive Titanium parts that allow the engine to rev more by virtue of their lighter weight . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 No why do you say these things if you don't know ? According to Lewis he rode an upright for a bit of fun because his own bikes are in pieces being prepared for the season. Nothing to do with thinking he would beat everybody. Don't know where you got that from. Basically in this highly isolated incident while replying to speedibee I was simply winding him/her up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Potter 2 Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 The point is it wont stop at Titanium. The problem is an engine tuner will find a way to make a riders bike go faster at a cost. Every one will want it so back to square one. Then it will start again!!!!. Why not standardize the Spec. for bikes so every one rides the same spec. of M/C. Then its down to the riders skill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Ultimately Speedway NEEDS to be cheaper to participate - not more expensive. Everyone chasing faster times seem hell bent on sending the Sport faster to destruction. It will also make the Sport more dangerous than it is now - I don't know about everyone else - but - I've had enough of seeing Riders get hurt. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Pardon my technical ignorance, but wasn't one of the benefits of titanium supposed to be that, although more expensive to buy, the titanium parts lasted longer. Giving a financial saving over a season. Is this true or just a bit of 'spin' put about by those that wanted to use titanium? ATB Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) Basically in this highly isolated incident while replying to speedibee I was simply winding him/her up. Only 3 occasions a Finn gets serious i can think of 1.When his bottle of alcohol is empty 2.When he hasn't got enough money for a bottle of alcohol 3.When his sauna is busticated Edited February 11, 2013 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Pardon my technical ignorance, but wasn't one of the benefits of titanium supposed to be that, although more expensive to buy, the titanium parts lasted longer. Giving a financial saving over a season. Is this true or just a bit of 'spin' put about by those that wanted to use titanium? ATB Dave spin Dave . Titanium has a shorter lifespan than the other metals used , One instance is titanium valves cannot be reground as steel valves are many times , when the mating surface gets worn titanium valves have to be replaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 spin Dave . Titanium has a shorter lifespan than the other metals used , One instance is titanium valves cannot be reground as steel valves are many times , when the mating surface gets worn titanium valves have to be replaced A lot of steel valves in modern Japanese road and motocross bikes have a special coating on to help reduce friction that means they cannot be reground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 A lot of steel valves in modern Japanese road and motocross bikes have a special coating on to help reduce friction that means they cannot be reground. Are riders using Japanese or Motocross engines this year? It has already been pointed out by a leading tuner that the current valves can be re-used and Titanium ones can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyk Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 I have been told by a top tuner that for the price of a titanium conrod he could buy three standard rods. If he then changed a rod every other service it would still work out cheaper than with the titanium rod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 the introduction of titanium benefets nobody in speedway , the riders are losing out the pockets and the most important people of all in speedway the fans (remember them) it isnt going to improve speedway one bit so why is it being allowed ?, imo its either the people who allow it are really really stupid and cant see the wood for the trees in which case they shouldnt be allowed to make decisions or they are accepting sweetners to push for it to be allowed , there can be no other reason for it , its just plain madness and another example of the killing of speedway . i heard a quote from one member of the bspa say "but a titanium con rod will never snap " well let me tell you when a piston breaks and they do, it usually takes a rod with it and it wouldnt matter if it was made of kriptonite it will still be bolloxed and need a new one , :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 A lot of steel valves in modern Japanese road and motocross bikes have a special coating on to help reduce friction that means they cannot be reground. could well be true Long one . but we are talking about speedway engines which are currently all using regrindable steel valves . which will then be replaced with titanium valves that cost 3 times as much last half as long and need replacing rather than regrinding , anyway waht do you know about speedway . bloody cov fans !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 could well be true Long one . but we are talking about speedway engines which are currently all using regrindable steel valves . which will then be replaced with titanium valves that cost 3 times as much last half as long and need replacing rather than regrinding , anyway waht do you know about speedway . bloody cov fans !! Not all steel valves used in speedway engines are regrindable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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