crayford website Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I'm currently compiling the stats page for the new crayford website www.crayfordkestrels.co.uk and have hit a block on some individual rider scores for Crayford's Southern Junior League campaign in 1983. I need scorers for: Reading (away) 25/4/83 Exeter (away) 30/5/83 Swindon (away) 25/6/83 I'm also looking to find out whether the final match away v Wimbledon was ever raced? Thank you in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayford website Posted January 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Thanks Just received the Reading details so just Swindon & Exeter away needed now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I'm currently compiling the stats page for the new crayford website www.crayfordkestrels.co.uk and have hit a block on some individual rider scores for Crayford's Southern Junior League campaign in 1983. I need scorers for: Reading (away) 25/4/83 Exeter (away) 30/5/83 Swindon (away) 25/6/83 I'm also looking to find out whether the final match away v Wimbledon was ever raced? Thank you in advance It would also be nice to try to work out exactly who won the league, as both Crayford and Oxford declared themselves champions. I think both teams beat each other at home, and don't seem to have dropped points elsewhere. I think it was an incomplete league table, so it might come down to who staged the most matches!!! All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 It would also be nice to try to work out exactly who won the league, as both Crayford and Oxford declared themselves champions. I think both teams beat each other at home, and don't seem to have dropped points elsewhere. I think it was an incomplete league table, so it might come down to who staged the most matches!!! All the best Rob WTF! It's a matter of FACT that Crayford won the SJL in 1983!! Can't believe you're trying to introduce doubt into this, gulp, 30 years later!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayford website Posted January 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I've managed to obtain all the stats for the three away matches now. The only issue I have is whether the away match at Wimbledon was raced and I suspect it wasn't. Interesting point Rob, its the first I've heard of Oxford claiming the title - if its down to number of matches ridden then Crayford's was obviously either 11 or 12 depending on the Plough Lane fixture. I've got no idea of Oxford's overall performance or whether they managed to complete all their fixtures. They beat Crayford 19-3 at home and lost to us 17-5 at London Road I know there's a photo somewhere of Crayford's 83 Juniors with a trophy, which I suspect would be the SJL. Once I can locate it maybe all will be revealed!! Anyone else know anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatwick Rocket Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I have compiled as much info as I have been able to for the 1983 Southern Junior League. I will post what I have tomorrow and hopefully others can add more. Suffice to say it was poorly reported at the time and there are lots of gaps we need people with completed programmes to fill in. I recall that Oxford were claimed as champions as well at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatwick Rocket Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 This is what I have for the 1983 Southern Junior League. For the meetings where I have the date but not the result it is possible that these meetings were not actually staged on that date but were rearranged for another date. For some of these meetings where I have the result, I also have individual rider scores. crayford website please message me what you have for Crayford so I can add anything else I can. 4 April Swindon 13 Reading 11 4 April Reading 3 Swindon 12 14 April Wimbledon 13 Reading 11 25 April Reading 7 Crayford 17 26 April Crayford 18 Exeter 5 3 May Crayford 17 Weymouth 7 10 May Crayford 19 Reading 5 24 May Crayford 16 Swindon 8 26 May Oxford v Weymouth 30 May Exeter 16 Crayford 8 6 June Reading 10 Oxford 14 13 June Exeter v Swindon 14 June Weymouth 15 Reading 9 16 June Oxford v Swindon 25 June Swindon 12 Crayford 12 26 June Oxford v Wimbledon 28 June Weymouth v Swindon 30 June Wimbledon v Swindon 5 July Weymouth 14 Wimbledon 10 11 July Reading 7 Exeter 17 14 July Wimbledon v Weymouth 16 July Swindon 15 Reading 9 18 July Reading 12 Weymouth 10 19 July Crayford 20 Wimbledon 4 21 July Wimbledon v Oxford 23 July Swindon v Exeter 28 July Oxford 16 Reading 8 1 August Exeter v Weymouth 11 August Exeter v Reading 13 August Swindon v Wimbledon 18 August Wimbledon v Crayford 1 September Oxford 19 Crayford 3 9 September Crayford 17 Oxford 5 15 September Oxford v Exeter 27 September Weymouth v Exeter 30 September Swindon v Oxford 3 October Exeter v Oxford 10 October Reading v Wimbledon Weymouth 10 Crayford 13 (date unknown) Based on the above, I get the incomplete SJL League Table as follows: 1. Crayford P11 W8 D1 L2 F160 A98 Pts17 2. Swindon P5 W3 D1 L1 F60 A51 Pts7 3. Oxford P4 W3 D0 L1 F54 A38 Pts6 4. Exeter P3 W2 D0 L1 F38 A33 Pts4 5. Weymouth P6 W2 D0 L4 F65 A76 Pts4 6. Wimbledon P3 W1 D0 L2 F27 A51 Pts2 7. Reading P10 W1 D0 L9 F83 A146 Pts2 If anyone can help add to this information please let me know PS I don't think the Wimbledon v Crayford meeting actually took place - I remember there was some words reported in Speedway Star at the time about this being postponed for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Hi Gatwick Rocket, I notice that you are missing the King's Lynn v Swindon (CM) result from the 13 June 1982 and King's Lynn v Ipswich (JAL) from the 4 September 1982 in your Yearbook. Details are as follows: KING'S LYNN 8 1. Robert Wall (1-2-2) = 5 2. Gary Reid (3-NS) = 3 3. Michael Keepe (0-0) = 0 SWINDON 10 1. Kevin Smart (F-1) = 1 2. Terry Broadbank (2-3) = 5 3. Steve Bishop (1-3) = 4 1. Reid, Broadbank, Wall, Smart (Fell) RACE AWARDED 2. Broadbank, Wall, Bishop, Keepe 67.8 3. Bishop, Wall, Smart, Keepe 67.6 KING'S LYNN 15 1. Robert Wall (3-2*) = 5+1 2. Gary Reid (2*-2*) = 4+2 3. Robbie MacGregor (3-3) = 6 IPSWICH 3 1. Andy Harris (1-0) = 1 2. Andy Davey (0-R) = 0 3. Roger Dickerson (1-1) = 2 1. Wall, Reid, Harris, Davey 68.0 2. MacGregor, Wall, Dickerson, Davey (Ret) 66.0 3. MacGregor, Reid, Dickerson, Harris 66.4 With regards to the Swindon v Wimbledon (CM) on the 4 September 1982, the result was thus: SWINDON 13 1. Terry Broadbank (2*-2) = 4+1 2. Gary Chessell (3-3) = 6 3. Brian Butterfield (2*-1*) = 3+2 WIMBLEDON 5 1. Mark Terry (0-1) = 1 2. Jamie Luckhurst (1-3) = 4 3. Jeremy Luckhurst (0-0) = 0 1. Chessell, Broadbank, Jamie Luckhurst, Terry 70.4 2. Chessell, Butterfield, Terry, Jeremy Luckhurst 72,8 3. Jamie Luckhurst, Broadbank, Butterfield, Jeremy Luckhurst 71.5 Cheers Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatwick Rocket Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Mike, that's brilliant thanks. If you have any more junior meeting details during 1982-1984 can you message me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayford website Posted February 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Hi Gatwick Rocket Hope this helps - Crayford SJL results as follows: Home Reading w 19-5 Swindon w 16-8 Exeter w 18-5 Wimbledon w 20-4 Oxford w 17-5 Weymouth w 17-7 Away Reading w 17-7 Swindon d 12-12 Exeter L 8-16 Oxford L 3-19 weymouth w 13-10 Cheers, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatwick Rocket Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Hi Mark, good website. Wish I had the ability to build a website - I would put all my stats online for all to see. Thanks for the Crayford results. I had all those already as per my post above. Can you pm me the individual scores in each meeting so I can check mine against? Also for the opponents as well as the Crayford riders. Thanks again. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayford website Posted February 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Hi Richard, I'm away for a week or so but will get individual scorers over to you on my return. In some cases Ive only got the Crayford scorers as some of my info has come from the Kestrel News of the time. Thanks for your kind comments - got some very interesting pre-war history to add to the site soon. All the best Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayford website Posted February 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Hi Richard, Crayford scorers for 1983 - I don't have opposition scores I'm afraid. In no particular order: v Weymouth (A) M Terry 3-7-0, R Newnham 2-2-2, B Dowsett 3-4-1 v Exeter (H) M Terry 3-9-0, R Newnham 2-2-1, B Dowsett 2-5-2, N Smith 1-2-1 V Weymouth (H) M Terry 3-7-1, R Newnham 1-1-0, B Dowsett 2-4-2, N Smith 2-5-0 V Reading (H) M Terry 2-6-0, R Newnham 3-8-1, B Dowsett 2-4-2, N Smith 1-1-0 V Swindon (H) M Terry 3-7-1, R Newnham 3-7-1, N Smith 2-2-1 v Wimbledon (H) M Terry 3-8-1, R Newnham 2-4-2, N Smith 3-8-1 v Oxford (H) M Terry 3-8-1, R Newnham 3-8-1, N Smith 1-0-0, D Gentry 1-1-0 v Oxford (A) M Terry 3-2-0, R Newnam 3-1-0, N Smith 1-0-0 v Reading (A) M Terry 3-7-0, R Newnham 2-2-1, B Dowset3-8-1 v Exeter (A) M Terry 3-6-0, R Newnham 2-0-0, N Smith 3-2-1 v Swindon (A) M Terry 3-9-0, R Newnham 2-1-0, N SMith 3-2-0 Apologies for the delay but hope this helps with your stats. All the best, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatwick Rocket Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Hi Mark, that is brilliant - thanks very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayford website Posted February 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 HI Just seen a typo: v Exeter (Home) Brad Dowsett shud read 2-5-1 Apologies Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayford website Posted February 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Just seen a typo Exeter (H) B Dowsett shud read 2-5-1 Apologies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatwick Rocket Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Yep, had spotted that thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil16 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 i rode for Reading juniors at crayford in 1983 and rode in that match against dave gentry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Kestrel Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Hi just sitting down with a cheeky pre-dinner beer and have a bit more detail if folks interested Weymouth v Crayford 4/4/83 Ht1 Gordon Humphries, Mark Terry, Ian Dowie, Brad Dowsett 72.6 secs 4-2 Ht2 Ian Dowie, Brad Dowsett, Richard Newnham, Billy Pinder (Rtd) 74.0 7-5 Ht3 Gordon Humphries, Mark Terry, Richard Newnham, Billy Pinder (ef) 74.1 10-8 Ht4 Mark Terry, Brad Dowsett, neither Humphries or Dowie finished (both fell) and the race was awarded gvivng the Kestrels the match 10-13 Reading v Crayford 25/4 1. Dowsett, Warren, Terry, Hunt 66.2 2-4 2. Terry, Warren, Andrews, Newnham (fell) 66.2 5-7 3. Dowsett, Newnham, Edwards, Andrews 66.6 6-12 4. Terry, Dowsett, Hunt, Warren 66.2 7-17 (Bob Radford complained that our team were too strong for the league!!) Crayford v Exeter 26/4 1. Terry, Dowsett, Fey (F-Exc), Mike Seemonds (fell - inj) In the rerun Andy Seemonds (who replaced brother Mike) also F-Exc 5-0 2. Terry, Fey, A.Seemonds, Newnham (F-Rmt). 61.8 8-3 3. Dowsett, Newnham, Fey, A. Seemonds 61.8 13-4 4. Terry, Smith, A Seemonds, Fey (NS) 61.2 18-5 more to follow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Kestrel Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 .. I recall trotting of to Exeter on 2 May for the Rapide (Junior Kestrels were scheduled to race the Imps after the main event) which was due to start at 11AM. When we got there it was rained off so quick pint and back to Kent!!! 3 May Crayford v Weymouth 1. Terry, Dowsett, Satchell, Pinder 63.2 5-1 2. Satchell, Smith, Terry, Dowie (fell) 62.7 8-4 3. Smith, Dowsett, Pindder, Dowie (fell) 63.7 13-5 4. Terry, Switchell, Newnham, Pinder (F-Exc) awarded 17-7 10 May Crayford v Reading 1. Terry, Dowsett, Hunt, Andrews (fell)60.0 5-1 2. Terry, Newnham, Edwards, Warren 59.8 10-2 3. Newnham, Dowsett, Hunt, Warren (Rtd) 59.5 15-3 4. Newnham, Edwards, Smith, Andrews 59.6 19-5 24th May Crayford v Swindon Sprockets 1. Newnham, Smith, Smart, Chessell (F-Rmt) 61.2 5-1 2. Terry, Butterfield, Chessell, Smith (F-Exc) awarded 8-4 3. Terry, Newnham,Smart, Butterfield 60.8 13-5 4. Smart, Newnham, Terry, (sorry not sure who was last had Butterfield written in prog then crossed out?) 60.5 16-8 30th May Exeter v Crayford - featuring Mal Bedkober (the world's oldest junior!!) 1. Coles, Terry, A. Semmonds, Newnham (F-rmt) 76.8 4-2 2. Bedkober, Terry, Weygang, Smith (F-Rmt) 73.7 8-4 3. Bedkober, Coles, Smith, Newnham (Fell) 74.2 13-5 4. Weygang, Terry, Smith, Semmonds (ef) 73.8 16-8 25th June Swindon v Crayford 1. Terry, Smart, Smith, Butterfield (fell) 73.4 2-4 2. Chessell, Smart, Newnham, Smith (fell) 73.2 7-5 3. Terry, Chessell, Butterfield , Newnham (F-Exc) 72.0 10-8 4. Terry, Smart, Smith,Chessell 71.8 12-12 Last few matches when I get another beer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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