THE DEAN MACHINE Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 i see the new heat shields for silencers are for sale on ebay at £57 without fittings and £80 with fittings , a bargain for all riders but not to worry because the FIM /SCB/BSPA are going to foot the bill for every rider because they created this problem with the new silencers so its only fair that they foot the bill , well i think thats how it works? ,oh no silly me some people in suits have a brainwave and riders have to foot the bill as usual 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 What's so special about the fittings to be £80? Can only be bolts and brackets etc??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 i see the new heat shields for silencers are for sale on ebay at £57 without fittings and £80 with fittings , a bargain for all riders but not to worry because the FIM /SCB/BSPA are going to foot the bill for every rider because they created this problem with the new silencers so its only fair that they foot the bill , well i think thats how it works? ,oh no silly me some people in suits have a brainwave and riders have to foot the bill as usual I saw one on Andy Smiths site, do you reckon they will stand up to any knocks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 What's so special about the fittings to be £80? Can only be bolts and brackets etc??? they are FIM approved ones therefore they are special and you must use those ones because nobody else can make anything as strong and safe as ones approved by the FIM its the law as far as i can see the fixings consist of 2 clips some washers/spacers I saw one on Andy Smiths site, do you reckon they will stand up to any knocks? they are carbon fibre so the shouldnt break 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 they are FIM approved ones therefore they are special and you must use those ones because nobody else can make anything as strong and safe as ones approved by the FIM its the law as far as i can see the fixings consist of 2 clips some washers/spacers they are carbon fibre so the shouldnt break Ahhh I see cost a tuppenny bit to make, market, sell and post, but £79.98 must go to the FIM for use of the words "FIM Approved" on the label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 There has been some comment from Janusz Kolodziej & Jarek Hampel about some prototype silencer which they have tested in workshop & reckon doesn't cause some of the problems with the current silencer. Anyone know any details & will this change the need for shield? (null) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Another crock of sh.. Still it helps keep the money rolling in. Ever seen an F1 car crash, and they're made of proper carbon fibre, not the mickey mouse stuff these will be made from, will last five minutes, and go the same way as the other FIM bolt on goodies we've had in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Another way to bleed the riders dry, cheers BSPA! If heat has always been an issue, why has there never been a cover introduced to house the downpipe from the engine? The heat that comes off those is terrifying. If anyone from the BSPA reads this, ignore it. I'm completely lying. It runs like a fridge. Move along. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 There has been some comment from Janusz Kolodziej & Jarek Hampel about some prototype silencer which they have tested in workshop & reckon doesn't cause some of the problems with the current silencer. Anyone know any details & will this change the need for shield? (null) HAVE heard that new silencers are being tested in both Denmark and Sweden and that they could end up being approved for use quite soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 HAVE heard that new silencers are being tested in both Denmark and Sweden and that they could end up being approved for use quite soon. That is good, but will the approval be given before or after the need for the riders to purchase the heat shield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Maybe if a road silencer in carbon could be used there will be no need for a heat shield. If a race can from a super bike is homologated for road racing. Can it be used in speedway ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Do the heat shields need to be approved or can you fit anything suitable? I noticed on Ebay it says they are suitable for approved silencers which could be a different thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Do the heat shields need to be approved or can you fit anything suitable? I noticed on Ebay it says they are suitable for approved silencers which could be a different thing. I think you will find they are not required in british speedway this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Do the heat shields need to be approved or can you fit anything suitable? I noticed on Ebay it says they are suitable for approved silencers which could be a different thing. Seem to remember a couple of years ago, Godfrey Spargo of Trelawny, and recently Plymouth, was advocating heat wraps used in American stock motors, after the complaints of excess heat with the new silencers. Never got off the ground, but these new shields are just a refinement of those ones, albeit in a solid form. If the new silencers are approved, that would see cooler silencers and heat shields could be optional to the rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 There has been some comment from Janusz Kolodziej & Jarek Hampel about some prototype silencer which they have tested in workshop & reckon doesn't cause some of the problems with the current silencer. Anyone know any details & will this change the need for shield? (null) Didn't know there was any problem with the current silencer ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berwick31 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 It's a 3ft long exhaust coming off a race engine that is running flat out (not in my case) for over a minute it's gonna get hot! Yes the new ones do get hotter than the older style ones.. But I can assure that the older ones still got hot enough to do the same damage (burns) as the new ones so why wasn't this brought up ages ago if there is a issue with it. This is just becoming a farse now within speedway! As sum1 posted previous what about the down pipe and the engine it's self? Wish they would leave it alone it's speedway for gods sake 500cc bikes with no brakes on a enclosed race circuit with no run off its going to be dangerouse, and there worried about covering 300mm of the rear end of the exhaust that is right next to a rear tyre spinning at god nos what rpm! That's my rant over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I used to be a 500 sidecar passenger and heat from the exhausts was s big problem as they ran next to your left leg. I got burned several times on the 1000m track at herxheim. We tested a carbon end can from a Ducati super bike once. No discernible loss in power but you could still touch it after 4 laps ... As they are already homologated by the FIM Maybe worth testing ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 That is good, but will the approval be given before or after the need for the riders to purchase the heat shield. Think the FIM rule says you need a heat shield from now on, so you need a heat shield. In any silencer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted January 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 They are talking about modifying excisting silencers .they dont know what to do next they are like headless chickens. This silencer issue is a sad reflection of the way speedway in general is being run 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 It's a 3ft long exhaust coming off a race engine that is running flat out (not in my case) for over a minute it's gonna get hot! Yes the new ones do get hotter than the older style ones.. But I can assure that the older ones still got hot enough to do the same damage (burns) as the new ones so why wasn't this brought up ages ago if there is a issue with it. This is just becoming a farse now within speedway! As sum1 posted previous what about the down pipe and the engine it's self? Wish they would leave it alone it's speedway for gods sake 500cc bikes with no brakes on a enclosed race circuit with no run off its going to be dangerouse, and there worried about covering 300mm of the rear end of the exhaust that is right next to a rear tyre spinning at god nos what rpm! That's my rant over! Exactly my point about downpipes on the previous page - just as hot if not hotter than the silencer, so why is that not an issue? it's still just as accessible in an accident where somebody could receive a burn. Why not just have a rule where all moving parts must be covered? that's next I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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