Backless Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 A more pertinent question would be "do they have to - these days, under currrent legislation, not what sombody remembers from years ago?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 A more pertinent question would be "do they have to - these days, under currrent legislation, not what sombody remembers from years ago?" I would say that Jan would know. I am happy to accept that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staechmann Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Jan I belive years back a rider could loose there licence for riding in non acu events on non acu tracks! That rule has changed! Not according to what I have read. Don't forget - the SCB license was brought in for a reason. A more pertinent question would be "do they have to - these days, under currrent legislation, not what sombody remembers from years ago?" Which is why in the second post I had looked into - It's all in the rulebook. However - what I had "remembered from years ago" was still the case Just trying to provide some facts / info. That was all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I've asked around and got a bit more info on this, but it is pretty much as I said earlier: The ACU is an umbrella organisation that covers all motorcycle sport in the UK. Anything to do with speedway, under the ACU, has to go through SCB. All speedway tracks must have an SCB track license. All speedway riders must have an SCB license. Speedway tracks cannot run a meeting not sanctioned by the SCB, or they will lose their track license. Speedway riders will lose their license if they participate in an unlicensed speedway event. The MCF cannot sanction a speedway meeting at a speedway track. Only the SCB can do this. What constitutes a "speedway meeting"? It is the track, the bikes, the riders or even the term "speedway"? I only ask as flattrack meetings were held last year on tracks that also host speedway, featuring rider who also ride speedway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Not according to what I have read. Don't forget - the SCB license was brought in for a reason. Which is why in the second post I had looked into - It's all in the rulebook. However - what I had "remembered from years ago" was still the case Just trying to provide some facts / info. That was all. Fair enough Stekkers, but at this stage, as a potential punter, I'm content that an organisation like the MCF will be more than aware of the requirements to make their meetings happen without calamitous after effects. Bearing in mind the amount of whining & bitching cobblers that gets written on here about the supposed dunderheads at the BSPA, maybe calamitous after effects would be seen as a good thing. Going to leave this alone for a while as the anally retentive anorak wearers seem to have become contagious: I've just realised that the first two venues are owned as opposed to sub-let by the speedway promotions. Coincidence, or planned? Christ, I'll be wearing a bobble hat & caring about auspices next. Maybe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Fair enough Stekkers, but at this stage, as a potential punter, I'm content that an organisation like the MCF will be more than aware of the requirements to make their meetings happen without calamitous after effects. Bearing in mind the amount of whining & bitching cobblers that gets written on here about the supposed dunderheads at the BSPA, maybe calamitous after effects would be seen as a good thing. Going to leave this alone for a while as the anally retentive anorak wearers seem to have become contagious: I've just realised that the first two venues are owned as opposed to sub-let by the speedway promotions. Coincidence, or planned? Christ, I'll be wearing a bobble hat & caring about auspices next. Maybe. "Beware the Ides of March". (W. Shakespeare - Julius Caesar). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I'm breaking my own rule on this thread, but..... A question - If the BSPA/SCB wanted to run a Motocross event would they need the approval/permission/support of the MCF? Serious question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berwick31 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 NO they would have to go to the acu who they are affiliated by! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 No, they could run independantly or under any of ACU, AMCA, BSMA, YMSA, and probably some others I haven't thought of and that would apply whether it was a permanent or temporary track. Clubs sometimes switch their affiliation from one governing body to another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Speedway tracks cannot run a meeting not sanctioned by the SCB, or they will lose their track license. Speedway riders will lose their license if they participate in an unlicensed speedway event. The MCF cannot sanction a speedway meeting at a speedway track. Only the SCB can do this. The ACU/SCB might claim this, but we went through this several years ago with the MSA. The MSA realised it could not legally stop unlicensed racing at licensed tracks, nor prevent licensed drivers competing in unlicensed events. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 The Provincial League ran "black" many years ago, so I can only assume that they didn't have the blessing of the SBC, or anyone else. Can anybody clarify that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 The Provincial League ran "black" many years ago, so I can only assume that they didn't have the blessing of the SBC, or anyone else. Can anybody clarify that? The PL ran black in 1964 - but everyone involved was banned. as a result riders could not compete at ACU grasstrack events (this was why Malcolm simmons elected to go 'white' with National League West Ham instead of continuing with PL Hackney), or compete in the world championship. Australians riding in the PL were banned from riding in their native country by their national federation as a further consequence. Belle Vue were threatened with immediate expulsion from the National League for staging the Provincial League Riders Championship - however by that stage the national League/SCB position was so weak they couldn't follow through with their threat. The bans were lifted as part of the settlement during the 64/65 close season, which was largely on the Provincial League's terms. Whether this has any relevance today is questionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Very questionable I'd guess. Did the expression "restraint of trade" exist in 1964? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Very questionable I'd guess. Did the expression "restraint of trade" exist in 1964? Yes - the restraint of trade case law goes back to before 1900* - and of course during 1964 Wimbledon promoter (and SCB member) Ronnie Greene took out an injunction to stop Bob Andrews riding for PL Wolverhampton. However the application of commercial/contract law principles to sport has evolved considerably since then and for that reason I think that drawing on 1964 would be of very limited relevance. * just looked at Wikipedia and case law goes back to 1613!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Davis Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 What if the organisers call it something different than 'speedway'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 It would be a difficult, what with it being called "The You Kay Speedway Series" and all that. A lesson on the history of restraint of trade and a suggestion to promote a series of speedway meetings by conjuring up a pretend name for the sport. Jesus. The BSF at its best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedwayTShirts Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 To confirm the UK Speedway Series will be represented on tonight's Speedway Show on BIKERfm by Scott Courtney - Event Organiser and he will be accompanied by Roy Barton from the series' Governing Body The MCFederation. Tune in between 8 & 10pm and send any questions in to speedway@bikerfm.co.uk. 3 more Riders will be announced on tonight's show for this exciting series. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berwick31 Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 To confirm the UK Speedway Series will be represented on tonight's Speedway Show on BIKERfm by Scott Courtney - Event Organiser and he will be accompanied by Roy Barton from the series' Governing Body The MCFederation. Tune in between 8 & 10pm and send any questions in to speedway@bikerfm.co.uk. 3 more Riders will be announced on tonight's show for this exciting series. Great news! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berwick31 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 3 more riders announced last night for the UK Speedway Series. JOE HAINES JASON BUNYAN STEVEN WORRALL Join Doolan, Ashworth and Tully for the 2013 series! Web: www.ukspeedwayseries.com Facebook: (search) UKSpeedwaySeries Twitter: @SpeedwaySeries Instagram: @SpeedwaySeries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Maybe not! http://speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.19051 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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