Deano Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Surely it is just a matter of money? Precisely. If the financial sum of the MCF is greater than the BSPA.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Exactly.Football is in pretty good shape and it would take some fantastic amount to set up a rival competition.And why would anyone when the competition is great anyway.But the same on all counts can't be said for speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 (edited) Having looked at the Arenacross videos and been to the Western beach race twice, these guys can run a very good meeting, the BSPA and the SCB could learn a lot from them. Most Speedway tracks are rented from other parties GRA for example, including Poole. So if the organisers went to the GRA they could hire the Poole track, use their own kit to prepare it, can't be any worse that normal, and run the meeting. Just how many Speedway fans actually give a toss whether its a BSPA meeting? There is no way that the SCB could stop an organised meeting with self employed riders taking place, footballers are not self employed before you compare them, on a track that is owned by non speedway owners. Oxford would be a good place to hold one thats for sure. All the SCB and amateur BSPA are looking at is their own self interest, not the interests of British Speedway. Edited February 9, 2013 by PhilBrereton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Having looked at the Arenacross videos and been to the Western beach race twice, these guys can run a very good meeting, the BSPA and the SCB could learn a lot from them. Most Speedway tracks are rented from other parties GRA for example, including Poole. So if the organisers went to the GRA they could hire the Poole track, use their own kit to prepare it, can't be any worse that normal, and run the meeting. Just how many Speedway fans actually give a toss whether its a BSPA meeting? There is no way that the SCB could stop an organised meeting with self employed riders taking place, footballers are not self employed before you compare them, on a track that is owned by non speedway owners. Oxford would be a good place to hold one thats for sure. All the SCB and amateur BSPA are looking at is their own self interest, not the interests of British Speedway. To do that would be to play into the "parasite" shouters' hands (not that Ashworth, Tully, Doolan, Bunyan, Haines & Worrall would agree with that term). Is it a coincidence (maybe, I don't know - nor do I know the other four tracks they were talking too) that in Leicester & Rye House at least, they wouldn't be renting from the GRA or anyone else. They'd be hiring the venue from the owner of Leicester & Rye House. That's not parasitically taking money out of speedway. It's putting money into the staging clubs & putting money into the riders for their benefit therefore indirectly the benefit of their clubs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 To do that would be to play into the "parasite" shouters' hands (not that Ashworth, Tully, Doolan, Bunyan, Haines & Worrall would agree with that term). Is it a coincidence (maybe, I don't know - nor do I know the other four tracks they were talking too) that in Leicester & Rye House at least, they wouldn't be renting from the GRA or anyone else. They'd be hiring the venue from the owner of Leicester & Rye House. That's not parasitically taking money out of speedway. It's putting money into the staging clubs & putting money into the riders for their benefit therefore indirectly the benefit of their clubs. It's beginning to sound like you have a vested interest not like you to be looking at the world with one eye. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 (edited) Having looked at the Arenacross videos and been to the Western beach race twice, these guys can run a very good meeting, the BSPA and the SCB could learn a lot from them. Most Speedway tracks are rented from other parties GRA for example, including Poole. So if the organisers went to the GRA they could hire the Poole track, use their own kit to prepare it, can't be any worse that normal, and run the meeting. Just how many Speedway fans actually give a toss whether its a BSPA meeting? There is no way that the SCB could stop an organised meeting with self employed riders taking place, footballers are not self employed before you compare them, on a track that is owned by non speedway owners. Oxford would be a good place to hold one thats for sure. All the SCB and amateur BSPA are looking at is their own self interest, not the interests of British Speedway. This "group" couldn't come along and deal with just the gRA at Poole to use the track, as the contract for speedway is with Matt Ford. Even if a deal was made, the shale on the track would belong to Matt Ford who could stop this group from using it. The whole thing is dead in the water and hardly worth a debate now. These people went about it all wrong and have blown any chance they "might" have had. Its just like John Leslie has said above. Edited February 9, 2013 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 16 Speedway superstars, where? Superstars is an over used expression. We have a Grand Prix series, why the hell would riders want to take on more. The schedual is already over the top... What a load of rubbish. Having looked at the Arenacross videos and been to the Western beach race twice, these guys can run a very good meeting, the BSPA and the SCB could learn a lot from them. Most Speedway tracks are rented from other parties GRA for example, including Poole. So if the organisers went to the GRA they could hire the Poole track, use their own kit to prepare it, Really, that i would like to see. Believe me, it won't happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 (edited) That didn't take much shaking to start to get the South West Mafia involved did it? Speedway in the UK is being run into the ground, if Sky do pull out after next season the Elite League teams will really be up the swanny, the PL will be forced to follow whatever the EL promoters desperately bring in to cling to their antiquated rules and set up, or we will have the he’s our rider and you can’t have him rubbish that we see in the closed seasons. The remaining GP superstars will bugger off to the continent and we will become a speedway backwater. Farfetched? Let’s come back in 5 years and see where we are. Edited February 9, 2013 by PhilBrereton 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 And still not one person has explained what harm these metings could do to the sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Deplete the earnings of proper speedway promoters and wreck the league as we know it. This is a dead idea which will get no further than this thread. Time to move on. Nothing to see here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Deplete the earnings of proper speedway promoters and wreck the league as we know it. This is a dead idea which will get no further than this thread. Time to move on. Nothing to see here. How? If the MCF hire tracks that are owned by speedway promoters such as Leicester, Rye House, Scunny then they would be boosting the the finances of those businesses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 With the riders announced do people really think they'll pull punters through the gates to make this series work??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Deplete the earnings of proper speedway promoters and wreck the league as we know it. This is a dead idea which will get no further than this thread. Time to move on. Nothing to see here. How will it deplete the earnings of 'proper promoters' and wreck the league? Nothing to hear is more like it as you are just making statements without any substance to back them up. Anybody would think the promoters have jumped in with both feet before giving it any real thought if their opinions match yours. With the riders announced do people really think they'll pull punters through the gates to make this series work??? Isn't that the point? If they do then you would have to ask how they managed it and look to copy some of their ideas, if they don't a few tracks still make money and the rest lose nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Hunter Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 And still not one person has explained what harm these metings could do to the sport. Because they can't. Nobody can at this stage. We're in largely unknown territory here, and so therefore, it's just a matter of debate. How? If the MCF hire tracks that are owned by speedway promoters such as Leicester, Rye House, Scunny then they would be boosting the the finances of those businesses. Exactly. As has been pointed out by a few posters here, they would simply be treated as a commercial transaction by the stadium owners concerned, to their benefit. I suppose the real acid test on this would be if the two EL tracks not rented/leased nailed their colours to the mast. What would the BSPA/SCB do then? Not a lot is my estimate. They haven't trademarked the word 'speedway' (they can't, a few other countries would have something to say about that), and as far as I can see, can't stop speedway bikes being used at other meetings. The comparison between football and speedway is pointless here. Footballers are salaried staff, receiving a weekly/monthly wage plus bonuses (I would imagine), whereas speedway riders are self-employed. If they are approached about anything like this and there is no clashing pre-arranged commitment on their part, who can stop them? It's really no different to the old style individual meetings that used to be staple diet on the speedway calender years ago. With the riders announced do people really think they'll pull punters through the gates to make this series work??? We won't know until it's tried, will we? Everything has to have a starting point somewhere. I've watched Arena MX on YouTube and it's also recently been on the local regional news. It's not my personal cup of tea, but there's no doubt these people know how to get the crowds in and generate revenue. The local TV slot was centred on a 9 year old girl who was returning to the sport after missing most of last year due to a broken arm. She was enthusiastic and said how much she was looking forward to getting involved again. Translate that to speedway, get them involved with the youngsters, we could be on a winner here with this. Just a thought. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim the whipper Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Because they can't. Nobody can at this stage. We're in largely unknown territory here, and so therefore, it's just a matter of debate. Exactly. As has been pointed out by a few posters here, they would simply be treated as a commercial transaction by the stadium owners concerned, to their benefit. I suppose the real acid test on this would be if the two EL tracks not rented/leased nailed their colours to the mast. What would the BSPA/SCB do then? Not a lot is my estimate. They haven't trademarked the word 'speedway' (they can't, a few other countries would have something to say about that), and as far as I can see, can't stop speedway bikes being used at other meetings. The comparison between football and speedway is pointless here. Footballers are salaried staff, receiving a weekly/monthly wage plus bonuses (I would imagine), whereas speedway riders are self-employed. If they are approached about anything like this and there is no clashing pre-arranged commitment on their part, who can stop them? It's really no different to the old style individual meetings that used to be staple diet on the speedway calender years ago. We won't know until it's tried, will we? Everything has to have a starting point somewhere. I've watched Arena MX on YouTube and it's also recently been on the local regional news. It's not my personal cup of tea, but there's no doubt these people know how to get the crowds in and generate revenue. The local TV slot was centred on a 9 year old girl who was returning to the sport after missing most of last year due to a broken arm. She was enthusiastic and said how much she was looking forward to getting involved again. Translate that to speedway, get them involved with the youngsters, we could be on a winner here with this. Just a thought. How do/did you earn a living ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 How? If the MCF hire tracks that are owned by speedway promoters such as Leicester, Rye House, Scunny then they would be boosting the the finances of those businesses. i thought that was what I said & have been accused of having a vested interest - welcome, partner! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Deplete the earnings of proper speedway promoters and wreck the league as we know it. This is a dead idea which will get no further than this thread. Time to move on. Nothing to see here. Think that one up yourself, or did Matt tell you to post it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Blah blah blah blah blah blah For something that's finished, with nothing left to see, so it's time to move on, you do like to keep coming back and going on. Isn't there some slapper hanging around waiting to be degraded in the name of making you a few quid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 I suppose the real acid test on this would be if the two EL tracks not rented/leased nailed their colours to the mast. What would the BSPA/SCB do then? The BSPA can't stick together for their own version of "for the good of the sport". So what chances are there for them sticking together on this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Animal Posted February 10, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) As I see it, here's the For and Against of the proposed series; FOR the UK Speedway Series…………… More opportunities for self-employed riders to get more race time and earn more money. More experience for riders who do not compete in the GP's or leagues outside the UK. A chance for track/stadium owners to rent out their facilities for additional income. The possibility of new promotional ideas. An opportunity to further spread the speedway message. AGAINST the UK Speedway Series…………… . Edited February 10, 2013 by Animal 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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