kiwi Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 I bet any money you like if it doesn't get off the ground.that next season the BSPA with bring in a six round gp style series and tell us what a good idea it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Test what waters ? i don't see this helping anyone ..it's not going to help the sport and there is no demand for it as well ...i tell you where to start, come up with a good idea . I wonder if the good idea was to do with the way the event was run rather than the riders involved, perhaps there were ideas of how to promote the event to get non Speedway supporters along, possibly they were going to do something between races or vary the format, we know from biker fm that there was to be a 6 man final. Perhaps there was to be something done with admission prices and so on, there are any number of possibilities. Would be good to know if any or all of these would work surely. Besides that if you have a carefully selected field of riders over roughly equal ability you are likely to see better racing than when a couple of superstars are involved anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 That is part of the problem.We really have little info,so don't know what the plans were.All we can gather is they were going to pay out money for the use of stadiums and riders.So that answers your question on who it was going to help.Fans have the choice of whether to go to one of these meetings or not,so it seems as far as i can see no-one was going to be out of pocket apart from maybe MCF,so who is it harming?At the moment we don't know if this opposition is unexpected to the MCF or if they aren't going to go away just because the SCB tell them to.It is plain the sport is in a bad shape.The only ones responsible are the BSPA.They are not though going to let someone just mosey up and start running their own show using BSPA facilities and riders.It will take confrontation and money.Someone wanting to shake things up are going to need a few tracks and a good amount of riders on their pay-roll.Like someone else said in the end fans couldn't care less who is running things as long as the product is good.If they have good ideas,good sponsors and can take the sport forward i hope they don't give up after one failed try If you don't know who these people are how do you now if they are going to pay the riders ,staduim etc ? allowing any tom ,dick or harry to run things under the name of speedway can cause massive damage to the sport, so yes it can harm other people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 If you don't know who these people are how do you now if they are going to pay the riders ,staduim etc ? allowing any tom ,dick or harry to run things under the name of speedway can cause massive damage to the sport, so yes it can harm other people Try to remain sensible.First we have comments that it isn't possible to run speedway,which plainly isn't true.Now you go on about not knowing the people when they clearly have history,just not in speedway.If they were fly by night merchants the MotoX people would be up in arms.It seems they are so fly by night that Red Bull work with them!!!!! So try to argue with some sense 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Try to remain sensible.First we have comments that it isn't possible to run speedway,which plainly isn't true.Now you go on about not knowing the people when they clearly have history,just not in speedway.If they were fly by night merchants the MotoX people would be up in arms.It seems they are so fly by night that Red Bull work with them!!!!! So try to argue with some sense Sorry i thought you said you never knew what there plans were ..but now you know all about them ...they hardly smack of greatness saying they are going to run speedway meetings without getting past the legal aspect to run them, sound like a bunch of jokers to me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Hunter Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 If you don't know who these people are how do you now if they are going to pay the riders ,staduim etc ? allowing any tom ,dick or harry to run things under the name of speedway can cause massive damage to the sport, so yes it can harm other people I thought that's what happens now. They're called the BSPA and SCB, governed (and I use the term loosely) by the ACU. I bet any money you like if it doesn't get off the ground.that next season the BSPA with bring in a six round gp style series and tell us what a good idea it is Yes, it's got more than a faint whiff of 'not thought of here' about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 If you don't know who these people are how do you now if they are going to pay the riders ,staduim etc ? allowing any tom ,dick or harry to run things under the name of speedway can cause massive damage to the sport, so yes it can harm other people Your belief in the SCB and BSPA is nice to see, and I'm sure that they will appreciate it. So speedway riders won't get paid now, thats after there won't be any insurance and that the riders are rubbish, whats the next line of attack I wonder. They already run succesful motorcycle racing series and brought in sponsors such as Red Bull and Monster, just as BSI have with the World cup, which is more than the BSPA have managed for a few years. Remember Gospeeds Janet and John selling PowerPoint presentation of last year. David bloody Cameron could run a better setup than the BSPA FFS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 If you don't know who these people are how do you now if they are going to pay the riders ,staduim etc ? allowing any tom ,dick or harry to run things under the name of speedway can cause massive damage to the sport, so yes it can harm other people None of those things could ever happen now, no promoter could ever end up owing money to landlords or riders. Easily solved if proof of funding is asked for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) Sorry i thought you said you never knew what there plans were ..but now you know all about them ...they hardly smack of greatness saying they are going to run speedway meetings without getting past the legal aspect to run them, sound like a bunch of jokers to me . Yes.....i did say i don't know what their plans were.......but i have seen they have done a good job with MotoX......now i think they had plans to do speedway meetings,not MotoX,so i don't know how they were going to run speedway meetings.Now you tell me where the contradiction is in those stetements that i know they are an organistation that run MotoX meetings,but don't know what there plans are for the speedway series?Did i ever say i didn't know who they were?Point it out to me please....Confused of HamburgI hate getting into conversations with people who can't read and understand!!!! Edited February 10, 2013 by iris123 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) Your belief in the SCB and BSPA is nice to see, and I'm sure that they will appreciate it. So speedway riders won't get paid now, thats after there won't be any insurance and that the riders are rubbish, whats the next line of attack I wonder. When did i say i had belief in the sbc or the bspa or indeed that riders would not get paid ? i said we don't know that they would ...my point is this is a crap idea that has been gone about in the wrong way . Edited February 10, 2013 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) If you don't know who these people are how do you now if they are going to pay the riders ,staduim etc ? allowing any tom ,dick or harry to run things under the name of speedway can cause massive damage to the sport, so yes it can harm other people When did i say i had belief in the sbc or the bspa or indeed that riders would not get paid ? i said we don't know that they would ...my point is this is a crap idea that has been gone about in the wrong way . I rest my case Mlud Edited February 10, 2013 by PhilBrereton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 I rest my case Mlud What case ? i said we don'y know they are not going to get paid not they won't be ...try to keep up . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletor Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 I rest my case Mlud Hope your not in the legal trade if that's your case . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 I wonder if the good idea was to do with the way the event was run rather than the riders involved, perhaps there were ideas of how to promote the event to get non Speedway supporters along, possibly they were going to do something between races or vary the format, we know from biker fm that there was to be a 6 man final. Perhaps there was to be something done with admission prices and so on, there are any number of possibilities. Would be good to know if any or all of these would work surely. Besides that if you have a carefully selected field of riders over roughly equal ability you are likely to see better racing than when a couple of superstars are involved anyway. I thought their publicity stated 16 Speedway Superstars!!? Your belief in the SCB and BSPA is nice to see, and I'm sure that they will appreciate it. So speedway riders won't get paid now, thats after there won't be any insurance and that the riders are rubbish, whats the next line of attack I wonder. They already run succesful motorcycle racing series and brought in sponsors such as Red Bull and Monster, just as BSI have with the World cup, which is more than the BSPA have managed for a few years. Remember Gospeeds Janet and John selling PowerPoint presentation of last year. David bloody Cameron could run a better setup than the BSPA FFS. Oh yes that Sky Sports sponsorship deal has been total b*****ks, hasn't it?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 What case ? i said we don'y know they are not going to get paid not they won't be ...try to keep up . Why even mention about paying the bills? You brought their ability to pay bills into question no one else. I thought their publicity stated 16 Speedway Superstars!!? Oh yes that Sky Sports sponsorship deal has been total b*****ks, hasn't it?! You are happy with speedways current direction then I guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) Why even mention about paying the bills? Why not ? surely who wants to run a an event or sport should be question about there ability to pay the bills ,one of the most important things . Just like any sport these day you have to checked money wise before you allowed in . Edited February 10, 2013 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Why even mention about paying the bills? You brought their ability to pay bills into question no one else. You are happy with speedways current direction then I guess? I didn't say that. But I don't believe this poorly thought-out attempt at something new and possibly different, using 2nd and 3rd division riders, will improve its direction either!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Why not ? surely who wants to run a an event or sport should be question about there ability to pay the bills ,one of the most important things . Just like any sport these day you have to checked money wise before you allowed in . Of course. If it was Brian Pissweed 12, credit Card Max'ed Avenue, Grimsby. These people at the MCF are a bit different, they have different ideas which they have used in other motorcycle sports, with friends in big companies. How many friends does the current SCB have? I'm not talking promotors own companies. When was the last time the BSPA got a big global company on board? That is evidence the MCF are not amateurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Of course. If it was Brian Pissweed 12, credit Card Max'ed Avenue, Grimsby. These people at the MCF are a bit different, they have different ideas which they have used in other motorcycle sports, with friends in big companies. How many friends does the current SCB have? I'm not talking promotors own companies. When was the last time the BSPA got a big global company on board? That is evidence the MCF are not amateurs. The evidence is in there statement ...they said they could run these meeting without asking and also there were 16 superstars, both have turn out to be untrue . If you were that pro i doubt you would start putting out such statements without checking things out first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) I didn't say that. But I don't believe this poorly thought-out attempt at something new and possibly different, using 2nd and 3rd division riders, will improve its direction either!! So, they have hit middle ground as an experiment to get in on the sport. Why do a BSI at Reading, when you can lose at lot less at Premier League level if it goes wrong. Premier League is potentially more cost effective as an experiment. It may not appeal to the Elite League snob, but could grab just as many fans. The evidence is in there statement ...they said they could run these meeting without asking and also there were 16 superstars, both have turn out to be untrue . If you were that pro i doubt you would start putting out such statements without checking things out first Where have they said that? I thought it was us on here that said it's illegal to withold trade and the MCF have used and proved it is the case in motocross. Point me to a link if they have said it. It'll be interesting. Remember the MCF is the same as the SCB, just not recognised by the ACU, which appears to mean jack do dah from a legal perspective as proven. Edited February 10, 2013 by Deano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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