Uk Speedway Series

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Edited February 9, 2013 by Chris BIKERfm SpeedwayShow

[Vince]

Members of the BSPA (The track promoters) are attempting to provide weekly, or at least regular, league speedway and at the same time minimise any losses in so doing.

 

Why wouldn't they have some objections to a new series of 'one-off' meetings, which unless they are 'admission-free', are highly likely to reduce attendance at their regular team meetings because people just don't have the money. We saw this last season at all levels when clubs were having to cram in 2 or 3 meetings in a week or 10 days just to complete the season.

Yet two promotions, the very people who you feel would be worst affected as they would be holding meetings at their track clearly felt that wouldn't be the case. Perhaps the chance of a guaranteed income rather than 'minimising losses' was actually an attractive proposition. No Promoter who felt that way would be forced to hire their track out so I think we are still to find a genuine problem.

 

Whisperer says that nobody consulted with the SCB or BSPA. Do we know for a fact that nobody in a senior position within one or other of those organisations was consulted? I know it was posted earlier but can anybody say that with certainty.

[Steve Shovlar]

 

 

1) Viabilty - Depends on how the speedway fans take to it. At the moment it looks like a GP format individual event based entirely in the UK.

2) Promotion - It's being backed by a reletively new type of organisation, that to be honest seems to be able to pull in the crowds. What they choose to do differently with the current speedway format or keep it as it is I don't know. Perhaps they will use similar techniques to get the crowds in, that they have done with motocross.

3) Locations - They currently appear to want to use existing cicuits, but there attemps with motorcross seems to extend to bigger arena's. If they could do this for speedway!

4) Sponsorship - Well, Red Bull is with them. Perhaps speedway is next.

5) Future - What do we have to loose. Speedway is dying and getting boring on terraces. There's no atmosphere. Something like this may pull in more punters once they realise there is a track by them that rides league speedway. Techniques the new organisation use could be used by the BSPA.

6) Disruptions to domestic league - Can't see why it would, it may mean some riders getting more rides and knocking one of the continent leagues on the head. Plying there trade more here, rather than abroad. All that depends how the series takes off and how they get paid.

 

 

Just a thought.

 

 

 

I'm thinking the MCF, the way it originally came about, would have been as welcome as a fart in a space suit on the motocross scene.

 

They new though the product they had, would eventually come out better and competitors would step across.

 

What they are seeing from the SCB and the BSPA is nothing they haven't seen before.

 

SCB and BSPA have had a monopoly on the sport for many years and fans are running away from the sport in droves. This is just another form of competition that they have never had, competition creates variety and I'm convinced my favourite sport will be better for it.

 

You have sole rights to a sport in the UK. Your members have spent tens of thousands building tracks, which cost thousands to maintain and pay rent and insurance. Your members pay riders every week during the season.

 

Then Fred Blogs comes along, asks some of your riders to ride for him, on your track, taking gate money away from you!

 

No different from me going to Matt Ford. Asking to use Wimborne Road on a Monday. And asking the Poole team to ride for me against a world select.

 

What do you think Matt would tell me to do? I reckon a short pier would be in his reply.

 

This bunch are basically trying to leech of the current setup. Why don't they go build their own stadium and run some of their own meetings (obviously without speedway bikes as that also wouldn't be allowed) and then there would be no problem.

 

Alternatively they could ask to join the bspa and bring their ideas to the table

 

As it stands now they are trying to act like parasites on our sport

Edited February 9, 2013 by Steve Shovlar

[Skodaman]

You have sole rights to a sport in the UK. Your members have spent tens of thousands building tracks, which cost thousands to maintain and pay rent and insurance. Your members pay riders every week during the season.

 

Then Fred Blogs comes along, asks some of your riders to ride for him, on your track, taking gate money away from you!

 

No different from me going to Matt Ford. Asking to use Wimborne Road on a Monday. And asking the Poole team to ride for me against a world select.

 

 

 

Just like the BSPA when they run their special meetings such as 4TT and Pairs!!

[MattK]

To be fair, British speedway and the BSPA are both perfect, so I don't see what this new series could possibly offer.

[freddyfivetoes]

I will be supporting the UK Series and going to some of the rounds.

 

Planning a quiet summer, then?

[Roger Jacobs]

The SCB haven't slammed any door. No one has knocked at their door, although it seems someone may have made a bungled attempt at breaking in through the window.

 

Well, I got an e-mail, from Graham Reeve which shows that he's not even slightly interested. Maybe not slamming the fdoor, but definitely no intention of doing anything positive.

 

The BSPA / SCB attitude to everything about British speedway is: if it ain't broke, break it ... if it is broke, leave it ... and if somone else has a good idea, ignore it.

 

This bunch are basically trying to leech of the current setup. Why don't they go build their own stadium and run some of their own meetings (obviously without speedway bikes as that also wouldn't be allowed) and then there would be no problem.

 

Do you film your own porn, or make money out of what others have created?

[John Leslie]

Do you film your own porn, or make money out of what others have created?

I think when Shovvy was in the Specialist Adult Entertainment industry he either created his own specialist films, or sold that which he'd bought off the copyright owner. I doubt he sat at the back of the cinema with his video recorder stealing someone else's material.

[raymondbudd]

Just watched a highlights video of Belfast Arenacross (

), can't help thinking that BSPA could learn a thing or two from these guys. For a start the overall branding of the series is superb, trackside adverts, startgate lighting & adverts plus the overall sponsorship by Monster Energy.

 

I'd hazard a guess that the half time entertainment in the proposed speedway series would utilise the freestyle MX ramps on display too.

 

The closest the BSPA came to this type of branding was the superseven series when Jonathan Chapman was involved, sadly it was never really built upon and we are back to the plain old shared events.

 

The politics of all this will probably prevail, however this current situation illustrates to me why speedway is light years behind other disciplines. On a personal level if the sport was run more like this I would be happy to offer substantial sponsorship (although not quite to the level of "the know"), but until it does ill be putting my funds to better uses.

[Deano]

You have sole rights to a sport in the UK.

 

Really.... apparently not, only under the ACU.

 

 

To the rest of your post, I'd want to maximise my investment and if one one of these guys came along and offerred me money to use my track then I'd make a decision on whether to hire it out, take a percentage or go into some other business arrangement.

 

What makes the BSPA think the self employed riders are their property? The BSPA pay insurance to who? The SCB? Why not go to MCF then if they are cheaper?

 

Obviously Steve you think speedway just can't get any better. What would happen if MCF started to lure new promotions and some current ones away from the ACU to start their own league? With the promise of lower insurance, lower running costs and a big league sponsor? Think about it, I bet your team would be right on the band wagon.

Edited February 9, 2013 by Deano

[Vince]

You have sole rights to a sport in the UK What other sport does anybody have sole rights to, who were those rights bought from or were they just claimed as it seemed like a good idea?

 

Your members have spent tens of thousands building tracks, which cost thousands to maintain and pay rent and insurance. Your members pay riders every week during the season That's the self employed riders who can and do ride for various clubs throughout the season and get paid when they ride which is not necessarily every week and 'belong' to a club that doesn't pay them any sort of retainer.

 

Then Fred Blogs comes along, pays some of your riders to ride in an individual meeting, on your track, taking gate money away from you and meeting the agreed fee for the hire of said track leaving you without the uncertainty of whether the meeting will be sucessful financially.

 

No different from me going to Matt Ford. Asking to use Wimborne Road on a Monday. And asking the Poole team to ride for me against a world select.

 

What do you think Matt would tell me to do? I reckon a short pier would be in his reply. Astute business man that he is I would have thought he would look at it as a business venture and decide whether it was financially beneficial for him/ his club.

 

This bunch are basically trying to leech of the current setup. Why don't they go build their own stadium and run some of their own meetings (obviously without speedway bikes as that also wouldn't be allowed) and then there would be no problem. No more so than any club that pays rent on the facility that they use. Did Mr Ford really build Poole stadium and the track? As for the bikes they no more belong to the BSPA than the sport does, they are owned by the self employed riders..

 

Alternatively they could ask to join the bspa and bring their ideas to the table

 

As it stands now they are trying to act like parasites on our sport Unusually for parasites they are trying to put money into the sport by hiring tracks, as far as I am aware they aren't asking anybody for anything free.

[Steve Shovlar]

What other sports have sole rights? Just about every pro sport in the UK. As Orion said the other day, see what would happen if you tried to hire Rooney, Bale, Gerrald etc and have a Team GB V Brazil at Reading. You wouldn't get very far. No different to what this bunch are attempting, and rightly knocked back.

[Deano]

What other sports have sole rights? Just about every pro sport in the UK. As Orion said the other day, see what would happen if you tried to hire Rooney, Bale, Gerrald etc and have a Team GB V Brazil at Reading. You wouldn't get very far. No different to what this bunch are attempting, and rightly knocked back.

 

Of course not, football is different, Rooney is employed by Manchester United, he gets a wage. Just like every other football player.

 

So how many speedway riders are employed and paid a weekly wage by a speedway club?

 

Do speedway clubs own the stadiums they race in? A few, but not many, most are leased.

 

It's very different.

[mac101]

as someone stated earlier when the MCF approached the mx clubs of which i was a part of as i was on a scottish mx club committee at the time they were told to pee off until the MCF laid it all out for clubs to see how they could make a little more money for each club as most were on there knees with all the monies they had to put out to the acu to run a club events of which they got back nothing in return !!! now 80 percent of mx clubs run with the MCF as they have a licence to run most events cant see them not trying to get into speedway maybe that's what speedway needs a shake up and brought into the 21 century

[John Leslie]

Of course not, football is different

No it isn't. It's exactly the same.

 

For SCB read F.A.

For BSPA read Premier League & Football League.

 

 

Try and set up and England v Brazil football match and see if the FA let you.

[Deano]

No it isn't. It's exactly the same.

 

For SCB read F.A.

For BSPA read Premier League & Football League.

 

 

Try and set up and England v Brazil football match and see if the FA let you.

 

That won't happen,like I said. It is different.

 

I get the impression it will be illegal to try and stop riders from riding in an MCF event by banning them from riding for the SCB. Why have they made in roads in other sports?

 

That's the difference. Manchester United could tell Rooney quite legally, you work for us son, no one else.

 

At the end of the day it's the BSPA's loss.

Edited February 9, 2013 by Deano

[John Leslie]

That won't happen,like I said. It is different.

It's not different.

 

The SCB is EXACTLY the same as the F.A. (The sole National body responsible for administering the sport)

 

The BSPA is EXACTLY the same as the Premier League & the Football League. The only bodies licenced by the above to organise competition.

 

 

You can't run Speedway outside of the SCB just as you can't run football outside of the F.A., and you couldn't open a McDonalds franchise without buying one off McDonalds corporation.

 

Don't know why people can't grasp something so simple.

[kiwi]

change a rule or two, and make a couple of changes to the bikes. It won't speedway

 

For SCB read Rugby for MCF read Rugby League

[iris123]

It's not different.

 

The SCB is EXACTLY the same as the F.A. (The sole National body responsible for administering the sport)

 

The BSPA is EXACTLY the same as the Premier League & the Football League. The only bodies licenced by the above to organise competition.

 

 

You can't run Speedway outside of the SCB just as you can't run football outside of the F.A., and you couldn't open a McDonalds franchise without buying one off McDonalds corporation.

 

Don't know why people can't grasp something so simple.

Surely it is just a matter of money?

 

If someone has enough money to buy Rooney and another 30 or so players from clubs and then buy or build a stadium he can get them to play matches and call it what he wants?Same as if someone wanted to set up another cricket competition or darts competition.As long as you employ the players.Speedway teams don't.But if say a speedway club wanted to run a benefit football match for a rider would they really have to get FA authority?Even if they played the game in a proper stadium?The thing with speedway is it seems to be held together not by rule of law,but the fact that everyone plays the game.If of course someone came along and decided not to play ball they shouldn't expect an easy ride,but is there at the end of the day anything to stop pirate tracks and or a pirate competition being set up?Like Deano,i don't quite see the speedway set up being exactly the same as football

[mrcts]

 

No it isn't. It's exactly the same.

 

For SCB read F.A.

For BSPA read Premier League & Football League.

 

 

Try and set up and England v Brazil football match and see if the FA let you.

It happened in cricket with Kerry Packer in the 70's when he set up the World Series,that shook the establishment but it also modernised a dying sport IMO.