SCB Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) If you are in the runoff, then your final position will be according to the results of the runoff, and in this case the three heats for the five riders. Countback is not an option anymore. That not what the rules said though (I've just checked). Top 3 places are by run-off. So 4-6 is based on count-back and Troy was top. So Troy should be first reserve this season. The FIM/BSI are wrong. Technically, as 1st reserve Troy should have had Crumpys place too when he retired. So rather than being in the GPs as the rules state, Troy ended up as 3rd reserve. I just don`t get what you are on about 5 riders tied for 2 places in the GP Zagar won the 1st race NKI won the 2nd-Both went into the final race.the next race had Dryml Madsen and Batchelor(last chance race)the winner goes on to race with Zagar and NKI-1st 2 in gp other 1st reserve-so back to the last chance Dryml won Madsen 2nd Batchelor 3rd-Therefore that`s how Madsenbecame 2nd reserve and Batchelor 3rd. But you DONT have run offs for anything outside of the top 3 places. So placed 4-6 are decided on count back. Which means Troy with 3 race wins finishes ahead of Madsen on 2 and Dryml on 1. Edited September 9, 2013 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 That not what the rules said though (I've just checked). Top 3 places are by run-off. So 4-6 is based on count-back and Troy was top. So Troy should be first reserve this season. The FIM/BSI are wrong. Technically, as 1st reserve Troy should have had Crumpys place too when he retired. So rather than being in the GPs as the rules state, Troy ended up as 3rd reserve. But you DONT have run offs for anything outside of the top 3 places. So placed 4-6 are decided on count back. Which means Troy with 3 race wins finishes ahead of Madsen on 2 and Dryml on 1. That`s just rubbish and deep down I think you know it is-Dryml is in a run-off for a GP place and just misses out by finishing 3rd in the race and because he didn`t finish in the top 2 in the race he finishes up behind Batchelor and Madsen who he has just beaten to get in the race !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 That`s just rubbish and deep down I think you know it is-Dryml is in a run-off for a GP place and just misses out by finishing 3rd in the race and because he didn`t finish in the top 2 in the race he finishes up behind Batchelor and Madsen who he has just beaten to get in the race !!! It's not rubbish. The rules say a run off is used for the top 3 places. So 4-6 is determined by the count-back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 If you are in the runoff, then your final position will be according to the results of the runoff, and in this case the three heats for the five riders. Countback is not an option anymore. But you DONT have run offs for anything outside of the top 3 places. So placed 4-6 are decided on count back. Which means Troy with 3 race wins finishes ahead of Madsen on 2 and Dryml on 1. A set of runoffs for 2nd. It's in the same rules. The rules say a run off is used for the top 3 places. So 4-6 is determined by the count-back. See first quote of the post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) Just to put my two penneth in. I think you are talking at cross purposes. SCB is OK with the run-off series to determine the positions within the top 3. But he feels that the rules only meant for the run-off series to declare the two qualifiers. The other three non qualifiying riders involved in the run-off should then have their positioning determined by the countback procedure NOT by their positions in the run-offs. It would be a bit odd to finish 'third' in the run offs for qualifying place but be lower down the list of non-qualifying reserves But it is SCB's argument that this is what the rules stated should occur. And they didn't. I can see the point SCB is making. Edited September 9, 2013 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 Just to put my two penneth in. I think you are talking at cross purposes. SCB is OK with the run-off series to determine the positions within the top 3. But he feels that the rules only meant for the run-off series to declare the two qualifiers. The other three non qualifiying riders involved in the run-off should then have their positioning determined by the countback procedure NOT by their positions in the run-offs. It would be a bit odd to finish 'third' in the run offs for qualifying place but be lower down the list of non-qualifying reserves But it is SCB's argument that this is what the rules stated should occur. And they didn't. I can see the point SCB is making. If it were a five rider runoff (literally, five at the tapes) for second with the same outcome (batchelor last if i remember right) would Batchelor still be 4th instead of 6th in the final standings because his heat wins? And its a runoff for SECOND... Not to determine the substitute list for BSI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedwayConnoisseur Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Sorry if this has already been posted but this meeting is being shown on Motors tv right now and replayed again next Tuesday morning. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Sorry if this has already been posted but this meeting is being shown on Motors tv right now and replayed again next Tuesday morning. Cheers Thanks for that, well played... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a4poster Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) Hi, is it on the Tuesday? On Motors TV (Channel 447) If so can you tell me what the programme is call and what time it is on as I can't see it on the listings. Thanks in advance. Ignore that I have found it, lol. Edited September 14, 2013 by a4poster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 Here's my posting on the other GP Challenge thread. " If anyone is interested there are six more showings, including one genuinely prime-time slot: 17.09 05.05 (yes, 5 am) 19.09 20.00 20.09 04.10 20.09 14.15 27.09 03.40 27.09 09.35 Motors TV UK is on Virgin 545 and Sky 447, but not on Freeview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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