24th August 2013 Gp Challenge @ Poole

[pirateandi]

King 3 points from 4 rides earlier on in the season at poole gives his chances of qualifying pretty much zero so agreed on his pick being a waste of time Howarth for me just a great opportunity to gve him some great experience for the future and an ideal platform for an young up & coming speedway rider that the bspa keep bleeding on about so what a waste king being chosen but nothing against him just a poor choice IMO..

[Trees]

Good luck to Danny!!

[flagrag]

As far as I know there is no tv coverage of the GP challenge as no broadcaster is prepared to cover the production costs on their own just a shame that the Polish and Danish broadcasters could not agree to joint fund it together. Then possibly Eurosport may have been interested in showing it.

[Mark]

^{Middleditch said: “Danny King has been in some good form of late. He was left out of the World Cup, which he felt poorly about. Danny is really keen to do well and maybe it will be like putting two fingers up at me and Phil (Morris).}

^{“The problem with the World Cup was I had to name my team for King’s Lynn two weeks before.}

^{“Riders can dip in form. Danny went the opposite way. He hit form, but I had already named my team.}

 

^{So why didn't he pick him for Prague then ?}

 

Middlo says he wanted to run a 4 man run off over 3 heats to decide who got the wild card. Good idea, and seems fair, bar the normal arguements about which 4 riders should be in the run off. Guessing that King wouldn't have made the 4 as he wasn't in the GB top 6 for the SWC.

 

What Middle doesn't say is who made the decision to give Danny King the wild card. Anyone know who made this decision, one person or a committee.

Edited August 13, 2013 by marky

[rob tatum]

So danny king is the wildcard why? Did he really even try to be in it from the off ? Let's be honest king john would have a better chance and he's been dead 500 years.

[PHILIPRISING]

WAS very anti Jurica Pavlik getting a wild card last year, especially after being eliminated in an earlier round. Nothing against Danny King, but same reasoning applies to him. Quite wrong in my view that a home rider in the Challenge can fluke a place in the SGP from just one meeting when everyone else has been through several rounds.

[JT]

WAS very anti Jurica Pavlik getting a wild card last year, especially after being eliminated in an earlier round. Nothing against Danny King, but same reasoning applies to him. Quite wrong in my view that a home rider in the Challenge can fluke a place in the SGP from just one meeting when everyone else has been through several rounds.

 

Agreed.

 

This guaranteed place for a home rider nonsense is a bit like gifting the sub-standard Czech team a final place at this years World Cup. Let's face it, Woffinden is our only world class rider at the moment, and with all due respect to the likes of King, Harris and Nicholls, they would barely make a Danish B side.

 

I can understand from a commercial perspective including a home rider, but in my opinion that rider shouldn't then be able to qualify for the Grand Prix series, even if they win the meeting.

 

On a slightly different topic, I also think a series wild card should only be offered to a rider once, to avoid the farce of riders getting repeat nominations, despite frequently failing to qualify by right. Unless they suffer an injury while in the top 8, it's ludicrous that one rider should get more than one charity pick, in my opinion.

 

JT.

[Mark]

WAS very anti Jurica Pavlik getting a wild card last year, especially after being eliminated in an earlier round. Nothing against Danny King, but same reasoning applies to him. Quite wrong in my view that a home rider in the Challenge can fluke a place in the SGP from just one meeting when everyone else has been through several rounds.

 

Agreed

[DutchGrasstrack]

Danny King didn't even take part in the qualifiers so he should not be allowed to race at all in this challenge imo .... would have been 'fairer' to pick a British rider who did take part (Nicholls, Harris or Kennett). Even beter would be to scrap this rule

 

Oh well, will be a great meeting though, can't wait :-)

[Trees]

As long as ANY wildcards are allowed in the competition it'll remain farcical to some extent!

[salty]

Danny King didn't even take part in the qualifiers so he should not be allowed to race at all in this challenge imo .... would have been 'fairer' to pick a British rider who did take part (Nicholls, Harris or Kennett). Even beter would be to scrap this rule

 

Oh well, will be a great meeting though, can't wait :-)

As far as I recall, the qualifiers from the UK are decided by finishing positions at the British Final. In 2012, Danny crashed out and therefore didn't get to do the qualifiers in 2013. The only three Brits who took part were Kennett, Nicholls and Harris, but you could argue that anyone who entered the 2012 British championships did "take part" in the 2013 GP qualifiers.

 

I agree with Phil Rising, there should be no wild card through to the final. Totally unfair for someone to be parachuted in 5 rides from qualification and it's not as if Danny's presence in the meeting is going to add much to the attendance.

[Grand Central]

I can't quite understand why this wildcard this year is raising anything more than an eyebrow.

The presence of the wildcard in the rule book is entirely intentional and only exists to operate in this situation.

A third world nation who cannot provide a qualifier is given a free space for the purpose of giving the home crowd a reason for turning up.

They have to have the same chances as all other starters otherwise their participation in the meeting would be so pointless as to negate their 'draw' value.

 

The thing is we usually think that this facility will only get used by one of 'those' nations.

The crappy ones.

The Italians, Bulgarians or Romanians. You know the sort.

Where their riders don't stand a chance of qualifying anyway.

 

But then the truth is WE are one of those crappy nations.

And frankly Danny's chances of qualifying are actually probably less than any previous similar wildcard.

 

Lets just remember this is not an unforeseen flaw in a perfect system.

Far from it.

This EXACTLY why the revered rulemakers created the abomination.

[Triple.H.]

Surely an enterprising national federation if allowed would contact a company like ITV who think of ITV4 as there sports channel and see if they want to show it live or record it for an hour long highlights package.I know you would have to jump through a few FIM hoops but the package could also be sold on. What are the viewing figures for GPs on Eurosport i bet ITV4 would like those probably get more as on terrestial tv.

Edited August 14, 2013 by Triple.H.

[Star Lady]

According to Hancocks Twitter the USA have been granted a wild card for the GP Challenge. If true either BSI are worried Hancock may not qualify as a right for next year and they won't be able to interest the USA in holding a GP or selling the TV rights or Mr Ford wants to put a few extra on the gate.

 

Either way it's a farce and totally unfair to every rider that had the balls to enter the qualifying at the start of the season.

[LagutaRacingFan]

According to Hancocks Twitter the USA have been granted a wild card for the GP Challenge. If true either BSI are worried Hancock may not qualify as a right for next year and they won't be able to interest the USA in holding a GP or selling the TV rights or Mr Ford wants to put a few extra on the gate.

 

Either way it's a farce and totally unfair to every rider that had the balls to enter the qualifying at the start of the season.

 

and your surprised?

 

The wild-card's get handed out to riders who don't even bother with the qualifiers.

[SCB]

WAS very anti Jurica Pavlik getting a wild card last year, especially after being eliminated in an earlier round. Nothing against Danny King, but same reasoning applies to him. Quite wrong in my view that a home rider in the Challenge can fluke a place in the SGP from just one meeting when everyone else has been through several rounds.

The irony being that Pavlic failed to qualify in 2012 and nicked someone else place. Yet in 2013 did qualify but has had his place nicked by Danny King!

Danny King didn't even take part in the qualifiers so he should not be allowed to race at all in this challenge imo .... would have been 'fairer' to pick a British rider who did take part (Nicholls, Harris or Kennett). Even beter would be to scrap this rule

 

Oh well, will be a great meeting though, can't wait :-)

You could equally argue that Harris, Nicholls and Kennett have had a chance and failed so don't deserve a wildcard. As pointed out, King got injured.

[f-s-p]

According to Hancocks Twitter the USA have been granted a wild card for the GP Challenge.

That just cant be true. If I read the page right, that started from a joke by Ryan Fisher.

[Grand Central]

That just cant be true. If I read the page right, that started from a joke by Ryan Fisher.

 

The facts are comical enough that they were bound to inspire further satire.

[Mark]

So who did pick Danny King ?

 

Anyone know if it was one person or a committee.

[f-s-p]

2013 FIM Speedway Grand Prix Qualification Meeting – Challenge

Poole (Great Britain) – 24 August 2013 – Starting List II

The riders entered for this event have been drawn to start in the following positions:

Ballot N° Rider FMN Country

1 Vaclav Milik ACCR Czech Republic

2 Maciej Janowski PZM Poland

3 Krzysztof Kasprzak PZM Poland

4 Oleksandr Loktaev FMU Ukraine

5 Timo Lathi SML Finland

6 Hans Andersen DMU Denmark

7 Kenneth Bjerre DMU Denmark

8 Troy Batchelor MA Australia

9 (Wild Card) Daniel King ACU Great Britain

10 Niels Kristian Iversen DMU Denmark

11 Thomas Jonasson SVEMO Sweden

12 Michael Jepsen Jensen DMU Denmark

13 Piotr Pawlicki PZM Poland

14 Martin Smolinski DMSB Germany

15 Matej Zagar AMZS Slovenia

16 Daniel Nermark SVEMO Sweden

17 (Reserve) Jurica Pavlic HMS Croatia

18 (Reserve) Peter Kildemand DMU Denmark

Przemyslaw Pawlicki is injured and replaced by Timo Lathi. Peter Kildemand is now Reserve. Draw II for the Challenge. Lahti replaces PrmPaw in the lineup. Finland to have a rider and a GP in 2014! The reason why Tipu jumps to the lineup from second reserve is that Prem was in his quali so he takes his spot. Same happened with Katajisto a few years ago in the U19 Euro final. GO TIMO!

Edited August 16, 2013 by f-s-p