Guest Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 It isn't just about whether speedway fans might go to the Stones concert. All media attention will be on the Stones in the lead-up, and I'd think the chances of speedway getting much in the way of publicity will be virtually zero. ...what Roling Stones featured on the sports pages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 Humphrey - Cardiff may be a 'regional' city to you, but it's a National Capital City to us Welshies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 (edited) BIT like those throwing millions at F1 events NOT in Auckland ... already know of some who had intended going to the speedway but have now switched to the Stones MIND you, looked online and tickets for the Stones start at £272! Might put a few off... that might be the remaining ticket prices Phil, but early release tickets were as low as $100 (50 quid) - not much more than the speedway at $60 (30 quid). it may seems strange to some that the stones ill imact on gp attendance, but "big" bands may visit NZ only every five years or so, its not like the uk when you can see your favourite band play in the uk (or fly cheaply to europe to see them ) on a regular basis. obviosuly it ont affect the true speedway fans, byt they are quite limited in number, and certainly it will impact on the number of casual fans who may have come along if they didnt have anything else on that night. my inlaws are esterns srpings regulars, they go to every car meeting each season, they've been to the last two speedway gps but ill be missing this year to attned the stones. Edited December 31, 2013 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 SADLY the 2014 NZ GP will clash with an appearance by the Rolling Stones in Auckland on the same night. While genuine speedway or indeed motorcycling fans might still prefer the GP the visit of the Stones will undoubtedly impact on the GP. Last year the England cricket team were in town and the date clashed with several other motorcycle events across NZ. Also, it has to be said that Bill Buckley and those he appoints to run events at Western Springs don't go overboard in promoting the speedway, which might help cut his losses. I am told that over 40,000 motorsport fans attend the Springs over Christmas but offers from the likes of Jason Bunyan to attend with his bikes and to promote the speedway were met with total indifference. It is also true that Buckley hasn't had much support from the local authorities but he can be an abrasive character and his bull (or should that be Bill) in a China shop approach doesn't pay dividends. Bill is a very rich man and no doubt his accountants work their magic but there is no doubt much of his enthusiasm for bringing the speedway GP (which he loves) to Western Springs (which he loves even more) was ruled by his ego and that may be waning Amazing how Bill Buckley, now he has served his purpose for BSI has gone from New Zealand's best businessman and everyone's favourite uncle to a guy who can't promote his own events correctly and has a bad attitude,oh how the mighty fall quickly when the cash cow dries up ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Humphrey - Cardiff may be a 'regional' city to you, but it's a National Capital City to us Welshies! Call it what you will, but I suspect many outside of the UK would be hard placed to locate it on a map, or name any significant feature. That's why the Welsh government is spending significant sums on trying to promote the city. [bTW - I go to Cardiff quite often and feel it's an underrated destination, but it's hardly on the list of 'must do before I die' sort of places. ] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Amazing how Bill Buckley, now he has served his purpose for BSI has gone from New Zealand's best businessman and everyone's favourite uncle to a guy who can't promote his own events correctly and has a bad attitude,oh how the mighty fall quickly when the cash cow dries up ! Aside from the now suggested problems (are there really any?) in regard to the NZ GP, Western Springs looks (as it has done for many years) a hotbed of activity for motor sport. http://www.springsspeedway.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Sorry but the impact of a Rolling Stones concert negatively impacting on the attendance of a SGP is wierd and farcical.Got to take your chances whilst you can.Speedway will be around next year, the Rolling Stones on the other hand ...... Edited January 3, 2014 by george.m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Speedway will be around next year, the Rolling Stone on the other hand ...... Might not be around in NZ next year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Might not be around in NZ next year... Always said this gp was to far and waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Always said this gp was to far and waste of time. An idea could be to persuade an Australian promoter to also stage a GP either before or after the NZ GP. However the Australians may well have misgivings after 2002? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedway_Grand_Prix_of_Australia Edited January 4, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 THE original plan was for a GP in either Australia or the USA immediately before or after the one in New Zealand. Obviously this would have enabled the huge cost of transporting riders and equipment halfway round the world to be shared between two or even three events. Various venues in Australia were looked at but none were suitable and since then only the Ethiad in Melbourne has come forward but it is only available in late October/November. Efforts to find a suitable venue in California or Florida (Daytona) also failed to materialise. The Home Depot stadium in LA (now re-named I believe) was far too expensive and the Veterans Stadium in Long Beach, which hosted World Team Cup Finals in 1985 and 1988, simply wasn't interested in even renting their facility. Logistically a GP in LA the week after NZ would be perfect ... there are direct 12 hour flights between the two cities and it would then only require a further flight back to Europe. But despite the best efforts of BSI and, indeed, Monster Energy (based in California) the various hurdles remain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Without BSL there wouldn't be a NZ GP, so enjoy it while you can, Oz did their $$$'s and ran to the hills years ago, if you look at the British GP, without the Welsh top up money, it probably wouldn't even be running, have we got a BSL willing to put up and probably loose big time, I doubt it nowadays. Bill Buckley is in the enviable position of doing whatever he wants, he can run Springs Speedway, he runs a massive Race Shop, BSL Racing, good luck to the guy, show me someone who wouldn't swop places with him, and i'll show you a fool. THE original plan was for a GP in either Australia or the USA immediately before or after the one in New Zealand. Obviously this would have enabled the huge cost of transporting riders and equipment halfway round the world to be shared between two or even three events. Various venues in Australia were looked at but none were suitable and since then only the Ethiad in Melbourne has come forward but it is only available in late October/November. Efforts to find a suitable venue in California or Florida (Daytona) also failed to materialise. The Home Depot stadium in LA (now re-named I believe) was far too expensive and the Veterans Stadium in Long Beach, which hosted World Team Cup Finals in 1985 and 1988, simply wasn't interested in even renting their facility. Logistically a GP in LA the week after NZ would be perfect ... there are direct 12 hour flights between the two cities and it would then only require a further flight back to Europe. But despite the best efforts of BSI and, indeed, Monster Energy (based in California) the various hurdles remain. Loads of hurdles and excuses, Bill Buckley overcame them all, green light and bullcrap come to mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Various venues in Australia were looked at but none were suitable and since then only the Ethiad in Melbourne has come forward but it is only available in late October/November. Well it must have been known that Aussie Rules (pre-)season starts in early-March which would curtail use of most of the major stadiums. However, if BSI is prepared to go to that 'stadium' in Riga, then there must be all manner of ovals in Sydney, Melbourne or Adelaide that could be pressed into use if the determination was there. I think more likely down to a lack of local financial support. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Oz appears big on ideas, and how things should be done, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty, doesn't actually rank anywhere when it comes to running structured speedway, GP's, Leagues, International Events all seem to be missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 THE original plan was for a GP in either Australia or the USA immediately before or after the one in New Zealand. Obviously this would have enabled the huge cost of transporting riders and equipment halfway round the world to be shared between two or even three events. Various venues in Australia were looked at but none were suitable and since then only the Ethiad in Melbourne has come forward but it is only available in late October/November. Efforts to find a suitable venue in California or Florida (Daytona) also failed to materialise. The Home Depot stadium in LA (now re-named I believe) was far too expensive and the Veterans Stadium in Long Beach, which hosted World Team Cup Finals in 1985 and 1988, simply wasn't interested in even renting their facility. Logistically a GP in LA the week after NZ would be perfect ... there are direct 12 hour flights between the two cities and it would then only require a further flight back to Europe. But despite the best efforts of BSI and, indeed, Monster Energy (based in California) the various hurdles remain. Aren't any of the USA tracks where they stage the BIG money 'World of Outlaws' sprint car races suitable? These tracks are probably similar to what Western Springs is like? However, I am fairly certain the WoO races are mainly staged well away from California and the west coast which could be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 THE original plan was for a GP in either Australia or the USA immediately before or after the one in New Zealand. Obviously this would have enabled the huge cost of transporting riders and equipment halfway round the world to be shared between two or even three events. Various venues in Australia were looked at but none were suitable and since then only the Ethiad in Melbourne has come forward but it is only available in late October/November. Efforts to find a suitable venue in California or Florida (Daytona) also failed to materialise. The Home Depot stadium in LA (now re-named I believe) was far too expensive and the Veterans Stadium in Long Beach, which hosted World Team Cup Finals in 1985 and 1988, simply wasn't interested in even renting their facility. Logistically a GP in LA the week after NZ would be perfect ... there are direct 12 hour flights between the two cities and it would then only require a further flight back to Europe. But despite the best efforts of BSI and, indeed, Monster Energy (based in California) the various hurdles remain. Biggest hurdle is always finding a 'fall guy' who will foot the bill and then absorb the inevitable losses while BSI speed off back to Blighty (someone like the much maligned Bill Buckley).Surely Monster Energy should step up to the plate to make a GP in their native US happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Biggest hurdle is always finding a 'fall guy' who will foot the bill and then absorb the inevitable losses while BSI speed off back to Blighty (someone like the much maligned Bill Buckley).Surely Monster Energy should step up to the plate to make a GP in their native US happen. Why should Monster Energy "oblige" for a USA GP if the happenings you claim will occur? Edited January 15, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Oz appears big on ideas, and how things should be done, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty, doesn't actually rank anywhere when it comes to running structured speedway, GP's, Leagues, International Events all seem to be missing. I believe it is because the Warders/Guards don't allow it. :shock: :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 THE original plan was for a GP in either Australia or the USA immediately before or after the one in New Zealand. Obviously this would have enabled the huge cost of transporting riders and equipment halfway round the world to be shared between two or even three events. Various venues in Australia were looked at but none were suitable and since then only the Ethiad in Melbourne has come forward but it is only available in late October/November. Efforts to find a suitable venue in California or Florida (Daytona) also failed to materialise. The Home Depot stadium in LA (now re-named I believe) was far too expensive and the Veterans Stadium in Long Beach, which hosted World Team Cup Finals in 1985 and 1988, simply wasn't interested in even renting their facility. Logistically a GP in LA the week after NZ would be perfect ... there are direct 12 hour flights between the two cities and it would then only require a further flight back to Europe. But despite the best efforts of BSI and, indeed, Monster Energy (based in California) the various hurdles remain. What about every stadium the AMA supercross races are run in ? Many to choose from and all use to motorsport. How about the citrus bowl in florida or even Daytona, Sam Boyd in vagas. Vast amount of staduims to choose from just seems to me BSI wont gamble there own money and take a risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Thought some years back we were being told there would be a mini tour outside of Europe with Gps in one or two Asian countries as well as Aus/NZ + USA?This was at the time when Malaysia was going to be the next big thing in the sport and it was likely to spread to other neighbouring countries as well.......Never mind.Like Humphrey say's,if they can host a GP in that Riga(mortis) stadium then Argentina still has a chance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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