Mixy230 Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 Shambles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 Surely one alternative would be to allocate the riders the best riders the better gates in order of the points scored. E.g. Gate 1 scores 40 points, gate 2 scores 32 points, gate 3 scores 18 points, gate 4 scores 30 points. Therefore in semi 1: 1st highest scorer from heats gets gate 1 (best gate) 4th highest scorer gets gate 2 (2nd best gate) 6th highest scorer gets gate 4 (3rd best gate) 7th highest scorer gets gate 3 (worst gate) Likewise with semi 2. Therefore the top scorers are still rewarded with the best gates, but without the delay of having the semi-final draws. All the best Rob Or we could just leave it as it is.The format of the GP has evolved over time to be about as fair as it can be,why the need to reinvent the wheel.I can't think of many occasions this year when the GP has over run its 3 hour slot(except maybe for a serious incident,Hampel in Copenhagen)If its not broken why try to fix it.Hopefully common sense will prevail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) Or we could just leave it as it is.The format of the GP has evolved over time to be about as fair as it can be,why the need to reinvent the wheel.I can't think of many occasions this year when the GP has over run its 3 hour slot(except maybe for a serious incident,Hampel in Copenhagen)If its not broken why try to fix it.Hopefully common sense will prevail. That's a laugh!!! :rofl: :rofl: Edited December 11, 2012 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 There's nothing much else to add to this other than there is no other sport that is as unfair as speedway is. The way you meet your opponents in different heats from different gates in changing weather and track moisture has nothing to do with fair. Maybe Ole could hijack the new UEM championship, test his ideas there and then forget about them and let SGP prosper, as much as it prospers. Given that the numbers draw is random, how would you propose to make it 'fair'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobStefenson Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 What a terrible idea. The SGP series is being ruined via the wild-card pick, Choice of tracks and now silly rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 Given that the numbers draw is random, how would you propose to make it 'fair'. Jolly good question Dave. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 OLE is wrong ... draw for semi-finals will be as before other than riders will choose their gate positions from their pit bay rather than at the scoreboard, Draw for final gate positions will, however, take place at the scoreboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) OLE is wrong ... draw for semi-finals will be as before other than riders will choose their gate positions from their pit bay rather than at the scoreboard, Draw for final gate positions will, however, take place at the scoreboard. How is it possible for someone with the job title of 'FIM Speedway Director of Sports' to go into an interview to announce a rule change to the World Championship ... And then get it so wrong? Is it any wonder that the people at the top of our Sport are held in such low regard by so many? Edited December 11, 2012 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Given that the numbers draw is random, how would you propose to make it 'fair'. Leave it as it is now. There's a reason why it is the way it is after about 80 years of racing. There's also a reason (or two) why the 24 rider KO system was scrapped. Maybe it's as fair as it can be, as it was last season? Edited December 12, 2012 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 If it ain't broke why try and fix it springs to mind................more random mumblings from the powers that be that got it wrong............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 That's a laugh!!! :rofl: :rofl: twk . i know you dont believe the qualification system is fair. But what is it about the format of the gps themselves that you think is unfair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 He does have some strange ideas. How on earth is it any fairer for a rider finishing top of the points to possibly get the worst gate of the night for a knockout heat? Olsen seems to want the SGP to be a lottery, whether it's his knockout format or random gate positions... I don't actually thinks it's that bad an idea. Let's face it, for the first 20 heats the gate positions are a lottery so will one more race make that much difference? If you are unlucky enough to have the worst gate twice in your five rides, and scored poorly then it's unlikely you'd have gotten first pick in the semi's under the old system. Essentially if you are going to win one of these individual meetings, you need the luck on your side. Plus I seem to remember it taking about half an hour just for the last three races - which is why I always watched a recording if I did watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Haha, what a farce! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Surely one alternative would be to allocate the riders the best riders the better gates in order of the points scored. E.g. Gate 1 scores 40 points, gate 2 scores 32 points, gate 3 scores 18 points, gate 4 scores 30 points. Therefore in semi 1: 1st highest scorer from heats gets gate 1 (best gate) 4th highest scorer gets gate 2 (2nd best gate) 6th highest scorer gets gate 4 (3rd best gate) 7th highest scorer gets gate 3 (worst gate) Likewise with semi 2. Therefore the top scorers are still rewarded with the best gates, but without the delay of having the semi-final draws. All the best Rob see your thinking but gates change throughout a meeting. what was good can become bad or other way round dont understand why OO is changing a process that seems to work ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 see your thinking but gates change throughout a meeting. what was good can become bad or other way round dont understand why OO is changing a process that seems to work ok HE isn't ... read earlier post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) PHILIPRISING has already stated in post 27 that the only change is that the usual method of picking is to be done in the pits and not at the scoreboard. So we don't need to come up with alternative methods ourselves. My concern is that Ole Olsen is the sort of man that thinks that coming out as a top scorer after five races against all other competitors makes it UNFAIR for you to given first pick for the semis. Isn't it just a little bit weird to have someone with such a cockeyed view of fairness in his position? Edited December 12, 2012 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 There's nothing much else to add to this other than there is no other sport that is as unfair as speedway is. The way you meet your opponents in different heats from different gates in changing weather and track moisture has nothing to do with fair. Maybe Ole could hijack the new UEM championship, test his ideas there and then forget about them and let SGP prosper, as much as it prospers. Correct. A meeting can be decided on meeting your main rival from the right gate. There is no way with a 16 rider 20 heat format to make it totally fair though, it would require a minimum of 40 heats, realistically a lot more. With having an SGP series though that advantage usually evens out over the course of the year PHILIPRISING has already stated in post 27 that the only change is that the usual method of picking is to be done in the pits and not at the scoreboard. So we don't need to come up with alternative methods ourselves. My concern is that Ole Olsen is the sort of man that thinks that coming out as a top scorer after five races against all other competitors makes it UNFAIR for you to given first pick for the semis. Isn't it just a little bit weird to have someone with such a cockeyed view of fairness in his position? Whilst I agree with you 100% the concept is used in many sports. The winner of race 1 in the BTCC carries more ballast next time out I believe. Even horse racing handicaps a horse for a previous good win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 twk . i know you dont believe the qualification system is fair. But what is it about the format of the gps themselves that you think is unfair? Its very simple.. it's not how it was in the old days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Perhaps its now just a matter of time before any rider more than 6 points behind the leading scorer after 3 heats gets the chance to play the joker and go out for double points in his next ride. Don't rule it out while Olsen is in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Perhaps its now just a matter of time before any rider more than 6 points behind the leading scorer after 3 heats gets the chance to play the joker and go out for double points in his next ride. Don't rule it out while Olsen is in charge. ACTUALLY Ole isn't in charge. He has a voice, even a vote at times, but so do others. I actually think he misinterpreted the minutes of the meeting where the draw method was discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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