wjm Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Great, screm can buy a brick now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massey Harris Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 With regard to the take over at Ashfield and weather this included David or not I was under the impression that he was an asset of the BSPA ATM untill the decided to make a ruling . IMHO the BSPA hoped the Berwick dropped him before he rode the required amount of meetings allow him to go back to the Tigers and complete his meetings there meaning they wouldn't have to make a decision on his ownership , this another fudge by those who supposed to act in the sports best interests . Â Wish I had your imgination, I could then twist everything to make it the fault of the BSPA. Why don't you blame the club who didn't race him in enough official fixtures to make him an assett? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Wish I had your imgination, I could then twist everything to make it the fault of the BSPA. Why don't you blame the club who didn't race him in enough official fixtures to make him an assett? But they did. The rule was you had to do 12 meetings to be an asset, he did that (5 home, 3 away and 4 KOC) but that winter they changed the rules to riders had to achieve an average to become an asset. Thats fine to change the rules but it's totally unfair to retrospectively do so. Does that mean that all rules will not be used retrospectively? Whole can of worms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heather21 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 the glasgow promotion discover a raw talent in david bellego, bring him over as a replacement for the injured christian henry and give him his chance at british speedway. turns out he is quite a find and luckily enough there were enough fixtures remaining to claim his as an asset, all of said fixtures he completed. BSPA confirm to glasgow that he is their asset. berwick kick up a fuss and claim hes their asset even though he hadn't turned a wheel for them yet. BSPA decide that their own rules don't count and a year later decide david is now a berwick asset. what i wonder is if glasgow hadn't brought david over in the first place, would berwick have? i highly doubt it. the BSPA are a bunch of twats. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 the glasgow promotion discover a raw talent in david bellego, bring him over as a replacement for the injured christian henry and give him his chance at british speedway. turns out he is quite a find and luckily enough there were enough fixtures remaining to claim his as an asset, all of said fixtures he completed. BSPA confirm to glasgow that he is their asset. berwick kick up a fuss and claim hes their asset even though he hadn't turned a wheel for them yet. BSPA decide that their own rules don't count and a year later decide david is now a berwick asset. what i wonder is if glasgow hadn't brought david over in the first place, would berwick have? i highly doubt it. the BSPA are a bunch of twats. Â Heather i suspect we have not heard the last off this from what i hear as SCB said a couple off posts up they have opened a can off worms here let' s see how they wriggle out off it pardon the pun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 the glasgow promotion discover a raw talent in david bellego, bring him over as a replacement for the injured christian henry and give him his chance at british speedway. turns out he is quite a find and luckily enough there were enough fixtures remaining to claim his as an asset, all of said fixtures he completed. BSPA confirm to glasgow that he is their asset. berwick kick up a fuss and claim hes their asset even though he hadn't turned a wheel for them yet. BSPA decide that their own rules don't count and a year later decide david is now a berwick asset. what i wonder is if glasgow hadn't brought david over in the first place, would berwick have? i highly doubt it. the BSPA are a bunch of twats. Â Good to see you arnt bitter about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Good to see you arnt bitter about it  Don't see any bitterness in her post just fact's good to see you so smug though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heather21 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Good to see you arnt bitter about it i'm not bitter about bellego being confirmed as a berwick asset, it was quite obvious that would happen 9 months ago when the BSPA said they would re-evaluate the issue at the end of the season. so no suprises there. i'm just annoyed that the bspa continue to change the rules to suit themselves when the sport is struggling enough to bring in new supporters. if people read this kind of stuff they wouldn't bother their arse with the sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 the glasgow promotion discover a raw talent in david bellego, bring him over as a replacement for the injured christian henry and give him his chance at british speedway. turns out he is quite a find and luckily enough there were enough fixtures remaining to claim his as an asset, all of said fixtures he completed. BSPA confirm to glasgow that he is their asset. berwick kick up a fuss and claim hes their asset even though he hadn't turned a wheel for them yet. BSPA decide that their own rules don't count and a year later decide david is now a berwick asset. what i wonder is if glasgow hadn't brought david over in the first place, would berwick have? i highly doubt it. the BSPA are a bunch of twats.  Just out of interest…..when did Berwick either, kick up a fuss, or claim he was there asset before he had turned a wheal for them?  Berwick always made it clear that their understanding was that he would become their asset once he had raced the required meetings… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Just out of interest…..when did Berwick either, kick up a fuss, or claim he was there asset before he had turned a wheal for them?  Berwick always made it clear that their understanding was that he would become their asset once he had raced the required meetings…  Yes you are correct that what was said at the time rightly or wrongly, why the BSPA had to wait was the contentious point for both clubs as they have now based there decision on a rider that rode in 2011 the required amount off meetings for a club and decided that the 2012 rules apply 9 months later.  Really for the life off me can i understand how they can continually get it wrong or make it up as they go along. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Great, screm can buy a brick now. Â Yes it appears I was wrong,and Bigeddiechek has a brick with his name on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) i'm not bitter about bellego being confirmed as a berwick asset, it was quite obvious that would happen 9 months ago when the BSPA said they would re-evaluate the issue at the end of the season. so no suprises there. i'm just annoyed that the bspa continue to change the rules to suit themselves when the sport is struggling enough to bring in new supporters. if people read this kind of stuff they wouldn't bother their arse with the sport. Â Glasgow have played their part in this sorry saga by not signing him up again for 2012 and putting the matter beyond doubt. It was obvious he was a real find, having more than achieved his starting average of 5 in a short space of time. Instead we signed two 5.00 point Aussies, one of whom we had to go begging to the authorities for a work permit, who it turns out were right to initially decline that he wasn't up to standard. The other hasn't quite achieved his assessed 5.00 avaerage but won't ride for us in 2013. Â I am acutely aware our 2012 signings were to cut costs, and we couldn't agree terms with Bellego, but the risks had been taken to get him into the side and he confirmed he had something about him. Quite incredibly he then signed for Berwick who I refuse to believe Glasgow couldn't match wages with. Some harsh lessons have been dealt with this and Campton's non return. Hopefully the new Glasgow owner will become a more shrewd operator. Edited November 20, 2012 by MD 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Glasgow have played their part in this sorry saga by not signing him up again for 2012 and putting the matter beyond doubt. It was obvious he was a real find, having more than achieved his starting average of 5 in a short space of time. Instead we signed two 5.00 point Aussies, one of whom we had to go begging to the authorities for a work permit, who it turns out were right to initially decline that he wasn't up to standard. The other hasn't quite achieved his assessed 5.00 avaerage but won't ride for us in 2013. Â I am acutely aware our 2012 signings were to cut costs, and we couldn't agree terms with Bellego, but the risks had been taken to get him into the side and he confirmed he had something about him. Quite incredibly he then signed for Berwick who I refuse to believe Glasgow couldn't match wages with. Some harsh lessons have been dealt with this and Campton's non return. Hopefully the new Glasgow owner will become a more shrewd operator. Â If it came down to a choice of Campton over Bellego,even as far as costs go,then Glasgow did indeed drop a clanger,as you say had Glasgow declared Bellego in their 1-7 last season there would never have been this debate. Â Course you could always loan him from Berwick for 2013. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelman 77 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 There should never have been a debate as the rules were clear. He should be a Glasgow asset. Â It beggars belief to be honest but is typical speedway farce. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 There should never have been a debate as the rules were clear. He should be a Glasgow asset. Â It beggars belief to be honest but is typical speedway farce. Â Best information Ive got is this,Bellego rode for Glasgow in five home PL meeting,against Newport x2,Sheffield,Somerset,Scunthorpe,he rode in 3 away meetings in the PL,at Newport,Somerset and Scunthorpe,he rode in 4 KOC meeting home and away against Newport and then Newcastle.All in all thats 7 home meetings and 5 away meetings,if the asset rule was 6 home and 6 away then clearly he did not do enough away meetings,though whether that rule was still around is up for debate. Â Whatever the rights and wrongs the BSPA have ruled,and Bellego is a Berwick rider,time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelman 77 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 It was twelve meetings. I agree it is "time to move on" but I daresay that's going to easier for you given its panned out in your favour whilst Glasgow have been treated like mugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Best information Ive got is this,Bellego rode for Glasgow in five home PL meeting,against Newport x2,Sheffield,Somerset,Scunthorpe,he rode in 3 away meetings in the PL,at Newport,Somerset and Scunthorpe,he rode in 4 KOC meeting home and away against Newport and then Newcastle.All in all thats 7 home meetings and 5 away meetings,if the asset rule was 6 home and 6 away then clearly he did not do enough away meetings,though whether that rule was still around is up for debate. Â Whatever the rights and wrongs the BSPA have ruled,and Bellego is a Berwick rider,time to move on. Yes , i agree . What's done is done . We'll just have to learn from this and not make the same mistake in the future . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember06 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 It was twelve meetings. I agree it is "time to move on" but I daresay that's going to easier for you given its panned out in your favour whilst Glasgow have been treated like mugs. As has been said already Glasgow dropped a clanger by not declaring David in their line up this year thus putting the matter firmly to bed   Yes , i agree . What's done is done . We'll just have to learn from this and not make the same mistake in the future . Harsh reality of being a speedway promoter, maybe both promotion need some lessons from our neighbours up/along the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Yes , i agree . What's done is done . We'll just have to learn from this and not make the same mistake in the future . Â Paul perhaps you can elaborate what the 'mistake' was? Â Under the rules of 2011 David rode the requisite number of meetings to become a Glasgow asset - fact. I dont see anywhere in the rules of that season (or any other in recent years) that says to be an asset you must be signed for the following year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 I'm surprised Glasgow don't have to pay compensation to the B.S.P.A, for taking up their valuable time for having to come to this decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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