spin king Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) Seriously? Is this going to help the sport get back on its feet? I doubt it very much Only addressing part of the problem, obviously there are other issues. But interested in what you have to say any suggestions? Edited November 9, 2012 by spin king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Scunny and Sheffiled would also just race each other as Leicester for all intents and purposes is going into the EL and I'm affraid it will be the NL boys nipping down to Plymouth as they have already said they are going NL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Scunny and Sheffiled would also just race each other as Leicester for all intents and purposes is going into the EL and I'm affraid it will be the NL boys nipping down to Plymouth as they have already said they are going NL If you read my original post it does say subject to what happens to both Leicester and Plymouth do this coming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Interesting you say that, why do you say that it less attractive, than what we already have? Hi spinny......Riding the same team twice in the league could be boring. Riding against the same team in a different competitions is more exciting, with the possibilty of 2 trophies. If the first meeting turned out to be, say a hammering for one team fans would probably not go to the second meeting. I'd prefer that money was saved by scraping a couple of competitions, as long as we keep the " Riders Championship, pairs, 4s and KOC " This year with 6 teams in the play offs with 2 mini leagues it didn't work successfully for all teams due to the weather. So I agree with what someone suggested ( on another thread )that top team in the league get seeded through to final and 2nd and 3rd play off to meet them for the title. That should give us all plenty of meetings with enough trophies for teams to go for. Others will disagree this is only my perfsonal choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Hi spinny......Riding the same team twice in the league could be boring. Riding against the same team in a different competitions is more exciting, with the possibilty of 2 trophies. If the first meeting turned out to be, say a hammering for one team fans would probably not go to the second meeting. I'd prefer that money was saved by scraping a couple of competitions, as long as we keep the " Riders Championship, pairs, 4s and KOC " This year with 6 teams in the play offs with 2 mini leagues it didn't work successfully for all teams due to the weather. So I agree with what someone suggested ( on another thread )that top team in the league get seeded through to final and 2nd and 3rd play off to meet them for the title. That should give us all plenty of meetings with enough trophies for teams to go for. Others will disagree this is only my perfsonal choice. Some fair comments in those words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 On hearing of the losses by PL teams, and viable cost cutting, what are the odds on North & South PL for 2013, brought together with play offs at the end of the season?. Seems on the face of it, not a bad idea, more local derbies, combined with less travel costs, for riders and supporters alike. I think this is one of the ideas that will be to the fore at the agm. In one word... No no no no no no no no no no no no no no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Giving the fans less attractive meetings I'm sure is not the way to go when crowds are down. Aren't we suppose to be thinking of getting more folk through the gates? Personally I dont think any of these suggestions will do that! do you have any suggestion's that would ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PremierRebel Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Personally I think as a Somerset supporter we would be far better off in the EL with Swindon, Poole ect. But this isn't possible due to money we really are the black sheep of the league now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 CRAP idea, so they will probasbly vote for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Excellent argument, coherently constructed & presented with aplomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Wow, the doubling up rule could be extended to allowing riders to ride for more than one Premier League club. The BSPA could reduce a riders point money knowing he could ride for another side and get more rides to make up the difference. This is a proffessional sport that uses rules introduced in amateur sports and it seems some of the fans like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Rides Again Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Wow, the doubling up rule could be extended to allowing riders to ride for more than one Premier League club. The BSPA could reduce a riders point money knowing he could ride for another side and get more rides to make up the difference. This is a proffessional sport that uses rules introduced in amateur sports and it seems some of the fans like them. Have you ben asked to contribute to the much vaunted "Crisis, What Crisis? - Pre-AGM" Edition of Speedway Star? A few of those in power could do with listening to you and other riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) Have you ben asked to contribute to the much vaunted "Crisis, What Crisis? - Pre-AGM" Edition of Speedway Star? A few of those in power could do with listening to you and other riders. Hi, I'm not Dean Barker. lol Just a middle aged long term speedway fan who's only seeing short term patches to solve deep rooted problems. Dean Machine is Dean Felton, he has some good points. Edited November 9, 2012 by Deano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) do you have any suggestion's that would ? Pint for 30p....... Someone comes up with a suggestion that others don't like,surely they can say they don't like it without needing to come up with a better idea.Anyway it would seem what they already have is better than the north/south divide,so they are suggesting we stick with that over regionalisation The chances that fans will come up with some great ideas that will get speedway out of the doldrums are very slim.If we could only contribute if we came up with a better idea the forum would be pretty quiet i suggest.If someone does come up with a great idea i am sure most people will say so. Edited November 9, 2012 by iris123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Rides Again Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Hi, I'm not Dean Barker. lol Just a middle aged long term speedway fan who's only seeing short term patches to solve deep rooted problems. Dean Machine is Dean Felton, he has some good points. Oops ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roll Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I just wonder how many would give meeting a miss as a team had raced at your track three or four weeks previously, think there is a consensuses that the riders get a substantial amount for the travel . in fact it has not changed for years . They have to shell out a substantial amount to there own travel . Let say a southern team is doing a three match tour of northern tracks the cost of the travel is split between the three promotions . Taken all that into considerations in the overall scheme of thing have a north south split would not make significant saving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longlivefrankie Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 i think the conference idea would only work in a one big league scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted November 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) I did not suggest it was my Idea, I was talking off the record to an ex promoter amongst others, and it was an Idea that he said MIGHT work, it was also suggested in the same conversation that maybe a return to Rider Control could work, but the most interesting suggestion was that we have a Bernie Ecclestone type supremo, whereby he formulates a plan for the benefit of "Speedway" as a whole, not just for an individual Promoter, however in MY opinion that could only work if "Go Speed" were to be moved aside, and this Supremo, uses the TV monies for the benefit of British Speedway as a whole, rather than an "Elite" minority. But that has moved from the subject of the PL, and to move it back, the best thing that could happen is for the PL to breakaway from the EL, and negotiate its own TV deal. Edited November 9, 2012 by greyhoundp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I did not suggest it was my Idea, I was talking off the record to an ex promoter amongst others, and it was an Idea that he said MIGHT work, it was also suggested in the same conversation that maybe a return to Rider Control could work, but the most interesting suggestion was that we have a Bernie Ecclestone type supremo, whereby he formulates a plan for the benefit of "Speedway" as a whole, not just for an individual Promoter, however in MY opinion that could only work if "Go Speed" were to be moved aside, and this Supremo, uses the TV monies for the benefit of British Speedway as a whole, rather than an "Elite" minority. But that has moved from the subject of the PL, and to move it back, the best thing that could happen is for the PL to breakaway from the EL, and negotiate its own TV deal. It's only a few years ago that GRT Media, Rerun Video's and Mike Bennett tried to combine together to produce a magazine programme for just the PL using their own footage which, if anybody buys their products, all are in great HD with excellent graphics for results. I think GoSpeed dictated the terms which were not acceptable but the exercise proved that there is quality imput into the footage and that would be the necessary base requirements to transmit to whoever would take the feed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 It sounds like an individual/promoter couldn't take speedway to another level even if they wanted too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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