Tsunami Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Perhaps the reason for the Premier League Supporters singing it's praises is because you see decent Racing most of the time. You see all four Riders trying to win - whereas - in the Elite League you quite often see TWO Riders Racing for the Win and TWO Riders racing for Third Place. Usually the two racing for the Third Place are Premier League Riders anyway. There IS more variety in the Premier League - there are more Tracks - so that fact is self evident. As for Crowds - well Speedway is suffering a general malaise at present. Support is falling in ALL Leagues. Not at all Tracks though. Unless, of course, SKY Television is there. Just ignore both of them TWK. Obviously nowt to fight with in the EL section at the mo, so they try to have a go at a subject they are not quite clued up on. Tssh, invasion of EL snobs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 at present i dont have sky at all but im looking in to getting it the problem is i dont watch much tv but that might change if i got sky theres no way i would pay to get sky sports the price it is and the amount of rubish they put on im a member of a motorsports forum and a big fan of road racing and about 18 months ago i got a questonaire survay asking if i would pay £5 a month if sky dedicated a channel just for motorsports now that i would pay as my money wouldnt be going to the overpaid whingers and thugs who are getting £100,000 a week + for kicking a ball round a feild 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 at present i dont have sky at all but im looking in to getting it the problem is i dont watch much tv but that might change if i got sky theres no way i would pay to get sky sports the price it is and the amount of rubish they put on im a member of a motorsports forum and a big fan of road racing and about 18 months ago i got a questonaire survay asking if i would pay £5 a month if sky dedicated a channel just for motorsports now that i would pay as my money wouldnt be going to the overpaid whingers and thugs who are getting £100,000 a week + for kicking a ball round a feild I get sky sports 1and sky sports 2 thro bt vision bit of a bummer when GPs are on sky sports 4 maybe an option for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Why don’t they introduce some sports like speedway on a pay per view basis, in my opinion they would get a lot more people subscribing to watch the sport they want and who do not think that football is the be all & end all 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msc1874 Posted November 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 You've got to love threads like this. Constantly we hear how great the PL is, how wonderful the product is, how marvelous the variety is, how fantastic the tracks are, how amazing the racing is. All these PL clubs must be racing in front of packed out crowds and the promoters making a fortune! That in fact is not what the jist of the forum is. If you want to start petty arguments and squabbles go and do it elsewhere. My points were: 1. PL racing is decent with lots of riders plying their trade in both leagues. There are as many fans following PL teams as there are EL so your post is a bit stupid. A speedway fan is a speedway fan. 2. PL deserves a highlights package. I am not talking live matches but highlights to showcases best league can offer and maybe attract new fans to their local clubs, or bring old ones back. 3. Surely sky's PL coverage should not just consist of 2 matches a season 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Why don’t they introduce some sports like speedway on a pay per view basis, in my opinion they would get a lot more people subscribing to watch the sport they want and who do not think that football is the be all & end all Sorry - I don't agree with that. My Son is a Football fanatic and would watch it 24 hours a day if he could. Me, I only really like Speedway and Cricket so I don't want to pay for it on Pay Per View - I have it already. You have to laugh ,only in the are Pl riders are trying to win ..where in the El once a rider hits the front he thinks i better drop back to last as i am not trying to win . orion - Not for the first time - try reading the Post properly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) orion - Not for the first time - try reading the Post properly. i Read your post fine ..it's says that in the Pl riders ride for the win ? sorry if i am reading it wrong but what does that mean ? and what stats do you back that up with ? and how many El matches did you go to this year ? Edited November 9, 2012 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 i Read your post fine ..it's says that in the Pl riders ride for the win ? sorry if i am reading it wrong but what does that mean ? and what stats do you back that up with ? and how many El matches did you go to this year ? Firstly - ALL Riders are trying to win the Race - but - in the Elite League very often TWO Riders get tailed off and THAT part of the Race becomes a battle for THIRD Place. This does not happen so often in the Premier League, often all FOUR Riders are in with a chance of winning the Race. Ergo - that means better Racing as all four Riders are involved. As regards to how many Elite League Meetings I attend - the truthful answer is none. However I watch an Elite League Meeting EVERY week on SKY Television. So from that point I do know what I am talking about. Now YOU orion - how many Premier League Meetings do you attend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Firstly - ALL Riders are trying to win the Race - but - in the Elite League very often TWO Riders get tailed off and THAT part of the Race becomes a battle for THIRD Place. This does not happen so often in the Premier League, often all FOUR Riders are in with a chance of winning the Race. Ergo - that means better Racing as all four Riders are involved. What ? why would two riders in the EL be tailed off but not in the Pl ...The Pl matches iv'e gone to over years are the same as the El, some good matches some poor matches and the same amount of riders getting tailed off . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Why don’t they introduce some sports like speedway on a pay per view basis, in my opinion they would get a lot more people subscribing to watch the sport they want and who do not think that football is the be all & end all you are allready paying for it so pay per view channels are just for the mugs with too much money and are easily parted with itmost items that are pay per view are available within 24 hrs else where for free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) What ? why would two riders in the EL be tailed off but not in the Pl ...The Pl matches iv'e gone to over years are the same as the El, some good matches some poor matches and the same amount of riders getting tailed off . I tend to agree here. Perhaps the view White Knight has of the Elite League is skewed by seeing a top heavy Poole on Sky so often. I followed the Witches for over 30 years so have seen the old British League and old National League , the one big league , the Elite League and the Premier and have seen the good the bad and the ugly in each! I have enjoyed the PL immensely in the last 2 years - much more than the preceeding Elite years. However a true Elite at its best will outshine the Premier.IMO. There are generally less mistakes at the top level so passes require more guile so when this is the case it can be truly breathtaking. The balancing point I would make is that overall the Premier is a more consistent product - the highs perhaps not so high but the lows less frequent and less pronouced. Good speedway is about matched abilities and each rider having a chance to compete. That can happen at all levels if the structure is right. Edited November 10, 2012 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 you are allready paying for it so pay per view channels are just for the mugs with too much money and are easily parted with it most items that are pay per view are available within 24 hrs else where for free If you do not subscribe to a sports package then you are not paying for any sports my suggestion was that for those of us who will not subscribe to the full sports package then pay per view is an option to be able to see the sport you like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrossifan Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Cracking first paragraph Aleksandr. You are right with what you say in the rest of your Post too - BUT, and it is a big but - I understand Gospeed own the Television Rights for ALL Speedway in this Country. Basically SKY 'cherry pick' the Elite League (in their opinion) and I'm afraid the rest of the Teams/Leagues don't matter. amazes me that Gospeed own rights to all of British Speedway and also rights to Polish Ekstraliga for outside of Poland, and they do virtually nothing with the rights??????Why not??? Weren't Premier Sports in talks for Polish League? So do we take it that Gospeed would rather get no money and sit on 'dead rights' rather than get some money and some income and exposure for their product? Baffles me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 amazes me that Gospeed own rights to all of British Speedway and also rights to Polish Ekstraliga for outside of Poland, and they do virtually nothing with the rights?????? Why not??? Weren't Premier Sports in talks for Polish League? So do we take it that Gospeed would rather get no money and sit on 'dead rights' rather than get some money and some income and exposure for their product? Baffles me. premier sports are in talks for all leagues as far as im led to belive british, polish and sweedish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msc1874 Posted December 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 amazes me that Gospeed own rights to all of British Speedway and also rights to Polish Ekstraliga for outside of Poland, and they do virtually nothing with the rights?????? Why not??? Weren't Premier Sports in talks for Polish League? So do we take it that Gospeed would rather get no money and sit on 'dead rights' rather than get some money and some income and exposure for their product? Baffles me. Great point to be fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 IMO they should offer PL racing rights for free if it gets them air time what an advert it would be for the sport as long as it was not on in the middle of the night or on BBC3 or alike.Sky is of no use to the PL so why not try other means of putting the sport on the box and attracting a younger fan base back to the sport, use young up and coming riders from the NL to give it a youthful look to the interviews . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Wow. It's just a short posting but manages to pack such a lack of understanding of every aspect of the subject. The PL (and NL) rights aren't available to be offered to anyone. Sky hold them. What exactly would be wrong with "BBC Three or alike"? As for NL riders doing interviews, it goes from the nonsensical to the deranged! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Wow. It's just a short posting but manages to pack such a lack of understanding of every aspect of the subject. The PL (and NL) rights aren't available to be offered to anyone. Sky hold them. What exactly would be wrong with "BBC Three or alike"? As for NL riders doing interviews, it goes from the nonsensical to the deranged! I thought it was 'GoSpeed'?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Wow. It's just a short posting but manages to pack such a lack of understanding of every aspect of the subject. The PL (and NL) rights aren't available to be offered to anyone. Sky hold them. What exactly would be wrong with "BBC Three or alike"? As for NL riders doing interviews, it goes from the nonsensical to the deranged! It maybe that I am deranged in your opinion ( and that is all it is) but I did know that Sky have the rights you mention and in my opinion it would do the sport no favours to be shoved on the likes of BBC3 etc .The reason I mention using NL riders was to try get the interest of a younger fan base as I am lead to believe that most regular s/way fans are by an large middle aged. I maybe all that you say in your post but a least I can express my opinion ( again that is all it is ) without being rude and critical , it people like you that get this forum a bad name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Get tony atkin on the interviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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