Arson fire Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Bring back the silver helmet Grading at set heats to avoid doctoring gates Don't count league cup towards averages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC71 Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Good idea, in principle, but we want to reduce costs, not increase them. As for video evidence, not all tracks are covered by a DVD company (at least they weren't in 2012). I'll probably get 'shot down' for this, but a reduction in the team points to somewhere between 38 and 40 will help in reducing costs. Once things (financially) have settled down a bit, that can always be increased. 3pt British rider must be named in every team at the start of the season. Agree with Play-offs (but not for the league title). Go back to the Young Shield type end of season trophy (IF there's time!) for the Top 8. A reduction in the points limit sounds good in theory (as a cost cut method) but will bring other problems. Are there enough 3 - 4 point riders around to make it viable? Given that there is currently no north east / scottish based NL track would NL riders be prepared to travel or would it leave Redcar, Newcastle, Berwick, Glasgow & Edinburgh struggling to complete their teams and all competing for a short list of riders (thus pushing up market value of reserves while second-strings and heat leaders can't find team places)? You only have to look at Newcastle's inability to replace the Worrall's this year to see the potential pitfalls. There aren't many Paul Starke's out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Dont dumb down anymore to supposedly reduce costs. Its a false economy. A limit as low as 38 was suggested earlier - this would require all the No1s being ditched or teams would need3 3pointers. One year later all those riders have false higher averages. I would like to see British only reserves. Remove the double points tactical. Revise the old tac rules - the rider taking the ride can only replace a rider no more than 2 places lower in the averages. ie a No1 could only replace 2 or 3. Assessed averages to remain in place even if not achieved. Cup competitions to have cut off dates for each round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 British only reserves one a 3 pointer at the start of the season ....Re run races except starting infringements.,, to be restarted in the positions they were in , when the race was stopped.....ie,, leader at tapes .,2nd placed on 5 yards ,,3rd placed on ten yards,, this would be a lot fairer to the riders and the teams...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I would say no tacs at all, make it if you lose by less than 10 away you get the extra point, win by more than 10 at home you get the extra point AND re-introduce aggregate bonus point too. But IF you want to keep a form of tac, make it double points for the heat for everyone, so if you get a 5-1 its turns into a 10-2 if you get a 1-5 reverse its 2-10 tough. 1 British reserve under 25 Doubling up to Elite for riders under 25 and only allow it for 1 season only, not to be used as a pension fund but to genuinely see if you want to move up. Tapes offence for touching tapes only, not good starts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch Me If You Can Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 so if your 3 pt brit ups his average a rider must be dropped and replaced with another 3 pt brit ? Sorry I should have clarified. No use 3pt starting average Brit all season irrespective of his average month to month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinosaur Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Dont dumb down anymore to supposedly reduce costs. Its a false economy. A limit as low as 38 was suggested earlier - this would require all the No1s being ditched or teams would need3 3pointers. One year later all those riders have false higher averages. I would like to see British only reserves. Remove the double points tactical. Revise the old tac rules - the rider taking the ride can only replace a rider no more than 2 places lower in the averages. ie a No1 could only replace 2 or 3. Assessed averages to remain in place even if not achieved. Cup competitions to have cut off dates for each round. Couldnt agree more with the Dumbing down bit, they have done this for years and it reduces the quality of the racing, this years 6 point men would just become next years 8 point men and demand the higher money next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsharp Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Drop the tactical rides. They are a farce. Two newbies this season thought I was joking when I explained what was happening. They were still laughing about it the next day. They make the sport look amateurish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I'm not a fan of the tactical rides but do like that an away team has a chance to keep in the match or least try to get a point, the bug bear for me though is a home team using it when they should already have home track advantage (set ups etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 would like to see rule that if you decide to replace a rider then you can only bring in a rider with the same points as the riders starting points. this would stop teams from using low point riders, then replacing them with 8pt riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 (edited) I'd like to see: * Minimum of 4 British / Commonwealth riders per team (raising to 5 in 2014 and 6 in 2015). * Tactical subs (6 or more behind) instead of tactical rides. Also a team six points or more behind can swap gates (1&3 instead of 2&4 or vice versa). * Maintain current scoring system, but also have aggregate point. * Pits telephone calls to ref to be broadcast over the PA - keep the crowd informed and entertained. * Keep points limit of 42.50. * Reserves at 6&7, but rest of team can line-up as team manager wishes. * Foreign riders cannot drop under initial average. * Assessed averages on new foreign riders to be increased. * Double points for Heat 15 - more last heat deciders. * Go straight into league matches - split into northern and southern conferences, teams meet other teams in same conference twice, teams from other conference once. Top 4 into play-off semi-finals. * Award the Young Shield to the team that tops the league table, so they've got something to show for their efforts (similiar to Rugby League's minor). * Scrap the League Cup and PCT. * KO Cup matches over one leg until the semi-finals. KO Cup dates reserved, with final in mid-August. * Play-off semi-finals and final to be televised. Play-off final in final week of September. All the best Rob Edited November 2, 2012 by lucifer sam 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Ore Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Couldnt agree more with the Dumbing down bit, they have done this for years and it reduces the quality of the racing, this years 6 point men would just become next years 8 point men and demand the higher money next year Spot on. Looking back when then points limit started teams seemed to look at getting heat leaders in place quickly, followed by the reserves. This left most teams looking for 4 point riders who, knowing the demand to fill team places, were asking for and ultimately getting silly money. The heat leaders, who initialy were happy with contracts, then found they were on less than poorer riders. Even asking for parity put up costs again. At the end of the day too, in spite of all teams allegedly starting equal one finishes top and one at the bottom so they can't be that equal otherwsie they should all finish level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboycolin Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 To help save on costs why fly in foreign riders who are no better or dont give 100% .we ve had them at berwick and i imagine every team has had them my suggestions are no1 any non british rider below 6.00pt ave who doesnt better their starting average doesnt get a team place the following year... (but can retry the next year. So they have to miss a year then they can retry) no2 go back to old tac subs from gate best rider normal points no3 unsatisfactory start all four back means straight back no visiting pits no4 riders not to cry off at the least bit rain they should be able to ride wet tracks (some of the best races i can recall were on rain soaked tracks loram/moggo//bentley final of bordernapolis..........ian turner winning danny talylor memorial years ago torrential rain these guys just got on with it why cant they do that now its all down to throttle control) rider have to take some responsability for the state of the sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 There has been changes made to suit teams in 2011 then changed again in 2012. If a rule is changed then it cannot be amended for 3 years. Too many changes makes it hard to explain to newbies interested in our sport. (Take football & the offside rule!). Make it simple & easy to follow- no bending of the rule. These are my choices for 2013; Team building at 42. 14heats x 3pts. Riders staying at clubs to have 3% reduction. This would be better for fans to follow their favourites rather than stop watching their "team". Cut off date to remain for League Winners. This gives positions for the following competitions. Play-Offs to decide League Champions. Top 4 via KO-1v4 & 2v3 Premier Trophy via KO. 5v12 6v11 7v10 8v9 then 5/12 v 8/9 & 6/11 v 7/10 etc Do away with Tactical Rides( i have never liked them) Use of Tactical Sub if 8points behind using riders only below a riders CMA being replaced. Use of Tactical Gate Switch if 8 points behind. Only swap 1&3 for 2&4 & not any 2 gates of choice. Use of above 2 rules only between hts 5-12 at any time but only once each. Reserves to have 6 rides maximum except for injuries during meetings when 7 will apply. All 4 back after unsatisfactory start back to start line. Practice starts done when entering track so should know of set-up correct. Video cameras at start line. (Even GP's are not inline with finish giving false impression. Maplins do cameras(similar to Johnny 5's eyes) & recorders so affordable. Penalise rolling at start. Riders MUST be still. Anticipating start is generally riders reactions to starting magnets being released-not punishable. Scoring System(as i have posted pre 2012) 3pt home win by 12 pt margin. Away 4pt win by 8pt margin. The rest of the system is ok. A teams better riders(normally 1 & 5) have too much say in deciding meetings(hts 13 & 15). No EL rider in NL. If good enough for EL then TOO good for NL. Too many posters putting on forums about Roynon(very good rider who's had far too many injuries) & also R Worrall(at start of season but hardly mentioned now). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I'd like to see: * Minimum of 4 British / Commonwealth riders per team (raising to 5 in 2014 and 6 in 2015). * Tactical subs (6 or more behind) instead of tactical rides. Also a team six points or more behind can swap gates (1&3 instead of 2&4 or vice versa). * Maintain current scoring system, but also have aggregate point. * Pits telephone calls to ref to be broadcast over the PA - keep the crowd informed and entertained. * Keep points limit of 42.50. * Reserves at 6&7, but rest of team can line-up as team manager wishes. * Foreign riders cannot drop under initial average. * Assessed averages on new foreign riders to be increased. * Double points for Heat 15 - more last heat deciders. * Go straight into league matches - split into northern and southern conferences, teams meet other teams in same conference twice, teams from other conference once. Top 4 into play-off semi-finals. * Award the Young Shield to the team that tops the league table, so they've got something to show for their efforts (similiar to Rugby League's minor). * Scrap the League Cup and PCT. * KO Cup matches over one leg until the semi-finals. KO Cup dates reserved, with final in mid-August. * Play-off semi-finals and final to be televised. Play-off final in final week of September. All the best Rob Some very good suggestions particularly like the ones highlighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Bring back the silver helmet Grading at set heats to avoid doctoring gates Don't count league cup towards averages Bring back the Golden Helmet match race. I have just seen Ladbrokes offering 20/1 any of the above suggestions being implemented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Will all of this thread be in the PC version, or just in the enhanced X-Box & PS3 versions? Could this thread be incorporated along with the similar ones and be merged with those that bleat on about hoardes of fans being driven away by promoters constantly tinkering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Will all of this thread be in the PC version, or just in the enhanced X-Box & PS3 versions? Could this thread be incorporated along with the similar ones and be merged with those that bleat on about hoardes of fans being driven away by promoters constantly tinkering? Your suggestions are? Or are you a self employed critic of all things posted on forums? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 (edited) A few of my suggestions have already been made, thanks. Ar you suggesting that here has never been a post made on here criticising the BSPA for "tinkering" with the ules from year to year, or that any of this doesn't fall into "rule tinkering"? Get over yourself. Edited November 2, 2012 by Backless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Get over ourself. Ourself? Struggling with a new phone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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