oldace Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Read what I Posted above. The answer to your question is to run Qualifying Rounds for all Riders who wish to take part. If Riders, as sidney says, don't wish to ride, for whatever reason - they should not be forced to do so. Those who WOULD like to ride in the GP Series SHOULD be given the chance to Qualify............... Are you following me about BeWitcher? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Speedway_Grand_Prix_Qualification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Is being placed in 12 rounds (ie) semi finals minimum, harder than say winning 6 rounds? i would say winning six rounds should be a lot more rewarding is it at the moment in it's form.? As for everyone being able to enter the qualifying system everyone has a chance that is a myth.A lot of riders just can't afford it, a lot of young riders i would imagine would love to say enter the under 21s it is just not viable. Travelling to places like Slovenia with no financial help,it is impossible did Joe Haines say that?.The GP series is in affect a closed shop if you have wealthy parents or backers maybe but everyone on the same playing field as years gone by NO. Nonsense. You didn't have to win 6 rounds to become World Champion. Indeed you could come as low as 11th in some rounds. 11th, 8th, 7th, 8th, 7th, 1st, would be enough to be World Champion under the old format. Your arguments against the qualifying are nonsensical. Whether someone can afford to enter qualifying is their own issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Read what I Posted above. The answer to your question is to run Qualifying Rounds for all Riders who wish to take part. If Riders, as sidney says, don't wish to ride, for whatever reason - they should not be forced to do so. Those who WOULD like to ride in the GP Series SHOULD be given the chance to Qualify............... Are you following me about BeWitcher? I don't think you read and understood the post I quoted TWK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Read what I Posted above. The answer to your question is to run Qualifying Rounds for all Riders who wish to take part. If Riders, as sidney says, don't wish to ride, for whatever reason - they should not be forced to do so. Those who WOULD like to ride in the GP Series SHOULD be given the chance to Qualify............... Are you following me about BeWitcher? Yes, waiting for you to speak sense. There is qualifying. Riders can enter if they choose to do so. Your claim that some riders will NEVER get the chance to be World Champion is a total falacy. For those quoting NKI.. Darcy Ward etc.. they FAILED to qualify. In fact, they didn't even get to the GP Challenge. Edited December 12, 2012 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 http://en.wikipedia....x_Qualification Exactly oldace. Top eight places allocated from previous year. Fair - I don't think so. They should ALL have to qualify, even the World Champion. Mauger, 'Briggo' all had to - what makes today's Champion so special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Exactly oldace. Top eight places allocated from previous year. Fair - I don't think so. They should ALL have to qualify, even the World Champion. Mauger, 'Briggo' all had to - what makes today's Champion so special. They have qualified. That is the qualificaiton criteria, finish in the top 8 in the toughest line-up there is. Everyone else also has an opportunity to qualify. Still waiting for you to quantify your ludicrous claim that some riders will NEVER have a chance to be World Champion. Edited December 12, 2012 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 I don't think you read and understood the post I quoted TWK. I apologise - I did read it - but - on re-reading your Post I picked it up the wrong way. I'm sorry. Note to self - don't get wound up and do things in a hurry - you will end up with egg on your face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 I apologise - I did read it - but - on re-reading your Post I picked it up the wrong way. I'm sorry. Note to self - don't get wound up and do things in a hurry - you will end up with egg on your face. No worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 They have qualified. That is the qualificaiton criteria, finish in the top 8 in the toughest line-up there is. Everyone else also has an opportunity to qualify. Still waiting for you to quantify your ludicrous claim that some riders will NEVER have a chance to be World Champion. (Sigh) ........................... and the criteria is what I am arguing against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) (Sigh) ........................... and the criteria is what I am arguing against. So you think consistently being in the top 11 of a series of qualyfiers against pretty poor riders is a good method but having to be in the top 8 of a competition involving the best 16 in the world isn't. You are simply hankering after a bygone era Ian because it was a time you enjoyed speedway the most, as it was for me but I am not so blinkered as to be unable to see that the old way was grossly unfair and that a GP series is far and away the best way of deciding a world championship Edited December 12, 2012 by oldace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 So you think consistently being in the top 11 of a series of qualyfiers against pretty poor riders is a good method but having to be in the top 8 of a competition involving the best 16 in the world isn't. Basically the Qualification Rules for the GP Series are rubbish in my opinion - so I think the answer to your question is - YES!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Basically the Qualification Rules for the GP Series are rubbish in my opinion - so I think the answer to your question is - YES!!! So you prefer the World Championship to have LESS of the sports best riders in it. Amazing.. when you're banging on about the sport being a mockery so often. Glad you are least finally acknowledging there IS qualifying now. So we can assume you were wrong when you stated that some riders will NEVER have the chance to be World Champion. Edited December 12, 2012 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Basically the Qualification Rules for the GP Series are rubbish in my opinion - so I think the answer to your question is - YES!!! Well that is your opinion but it is completely wrong. I presume you think the same of World Snooker, Wimbledon tennis, the Open Golf etc. All tournaments where previous form is a qualification criteria for the events Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 So you prefer the World Championship to have LESS of the sports best riders in it. Amazing.. when you're banging on about the sport being a mockery so often. THAT is your opinion, which I respect. I don't agree with you and that is my right. I argue for FAIRNESS for ALL and get pilloried for doing so. It is a VERY odd World. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 You are simply hankering after a bygone era Ian because it was a time you enjoyed speedway the most, as it was for me but I am not so blinkered as to be unable to see that the old way was grossly unfair and that a GP series is far and away the best way of deciding a world championship Nail. Head. Nothing more to it. THAT is your opinion, which I respect. I don't agree with you and that is my right. I argue for FAIRNESS for ALL and get pilloried for doing so. It is a VERY odd World. No it isn't my opinion. You want a system that will result in the sports World Championship having less of the sports top riders in it. That is a FACT. Not an opinion. You are perfectly entitled to prefer to see such a system, what people are arguing against is the ludicrous arguments you have been putting forward to back it up. Namely, it makes a mockery of the sport and that some riders will never have a chance to be World Champion. These are utter falsehoods and do you no good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Nail. Head. Nothing more to it. No it isn't my opinion. You want a system that will result in the sports World Championship having less of the sports top riders in it. That is a FACT. Not an opinion. You are perfectly entitled to prefer to see such a system, what people are arguing against is the ludicrous arguments you have been putting forward to back it up. Namely, it makes a mockery of the sport and that some riders will never have a chance to be World Champion. These are utter falsehoods and do you no good. Bollocks!! So you are saying that these Rider would NOT Qualify under my System. They CAN'T be the BEST Riders in the World then can they? I have already admitted this on a previous Post BeWitcher - PLEASE keep up. :) Edited December 12, 2012 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Well that is your opinion but it is completely wrong. I presume you think the same of World Snooker, Wimbledon tennis, the Open Golf etc. All tournaments where previous form is a qualification criteria for the events Or other motorsports such as Formula One, Nascar. Although maybe WK has a point. Its totally unfair that I can't enter Wimbledon next year without having to go through a sequence of qualifying rounds. Why should I have to do that and Roger Federer doesn't. Its UNFAIR! Can't see anyone showing up on Centre Court when they realise what a farce it is! I agree with most of what you say SC. Whilst I DID prefer the 'One Off' World Final - I realise that not everyone agrees with me - Fair enough. I have recently had my views on that shown to be wrong in one sense. My problem is, and always has been, the Qualifying method to get in to the GPs. I just believe that everyone should get a chance. Some Riders will NEVER get a chance to test themselves against the very BEST Riders in the World - if they did, you never know, we might discover a new World Champion.. I am not arguing my case for the sake of argument - I am arguing my case because I believe passionately in Fair Play. You haven't WK. This was your post. You claim that some riders will never get a chance to test themselves against the very best riders in the world. That is not correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Or other motorsports such as Formula One, Nascar. Although maybe WK has a point. Its totally unfair that I can't enter Wimbledon next year without having to go through a sequence of qualifying rounds. Why should I have to do that and Roger Federer doesn't. Its UNFAIR! Can't see anyone showing up on Centre Court when they realise what a farce it is! You haven't WK. This was your post. You claim that some riders will never get a chance to test themselves against the very best riders in the world. That is not correct. Now you are being silly. I thought you were better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Why am I being silly? I have presented you with your argument? Why should the 300th best tennis player in the world (not me) have to go through qualifying rounds for Wimbledon when Roger Federer does not? Do you have such an issue with that? Or is it ok, because back in the old days it was the same system? Do you have a major issue that 'wild cards' are given to British players at Wimbledon? Does it make a mockery of the event? These are your opinions, I am simply presenting them back to you. If you think they are silly... then what does that tell you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Your argument has no backbone white knight! 1990 Richard Knight made the World Final due to a run off at the British. Admittedly a good Commenwealth Final, only qualifying as reserve from the Overseas but Cross got injured so he took his place in the intercontinental and got through that as Troy Butler fell off when Knight was last and he won the re run! Nothing at all against Knight but what if he won the final, a worthy champ? No Also look at the final itself - Matousek, Tesar, Adorjan, Kasper got 11 between them. Missing out were Henka (who go in because Jan O got injured), Doncaster, Hamill, Loram, Wigg, Adams, Havelock, Correy (who got through because Hancock was injured), Karger, Nahlin, Sam Ermolenko, Kelly Moran. Now please justify how you can prefer the 4 who rode against those who didnt make it. It wasnt fair as they had harder rounds with less spaces to get through. This is just 1 year 1 example, i could go and get many more. As i said if you prefer the atmosphere thats fine. But the system was far more unfair then it is now. its not opinion its fact!! and henka could have won it!! much better Adorjan was there rather then Henka! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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