Bandit59 Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 It seems that you and me are in the minority in this this way, I think it was very poor form that they didn't want their views published , and that think their excuse was equally poor What was their excuse ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 What was their excuse ? That it would harm their integrity and that it was not prudent for ANY club to comment before the AGM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Got to admit Berwicks PR is one of the biggest jokes in speedway....the press releases, hype and quotes etc are so corny it's unreal...why not just stick with the basics instead of all the slava and spin...drama queens or what? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Got to admit Berwicks PR is one of the biggest jokes in speedway....the press releases, hype and quotes etc are so corny it's unreal...why not just stick with the basics instead of all the slava and spin...drama queens or what? Got to admit Berwicks PR is one of the biggest jokes in speedway....the press releases, hype and quotes etc are so corny it's unreal...why not just stick with the basics instead of all the slava and spin...drama queens or what? who realy cares about some words in a magazine, pointless article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) Got to admit Berwicks PR is one of the biggest jokes in speedway....the press releases, hype and quotes etc are so corny it's unreal...why not just stick with the basics instead of all the slava and spin...drama queens or what? As a buisnessman or a salesman you are trying to get the customers money, whether you believe in it or not. Its what happens on the track that matters to the fans, One wonders if we had of kept or stunning form all throughout the season, would we be having these debates now. Because as I said in a earlier post everything was rosey back in March/April time? Have our crowds been that bad, Peter Waite didn't have as expensive riders as Complin, Alden and Ashworth then we had a PR statement saying we are one of the big boys with one of the biggest budgets in the PL. Bold statement you'd expect an improvement on track or at least consistancy as to what our is open to view for the fans, or are we still a small club and cut our cloth accordingly Edited November 17, 2012 by RobinH88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairplay1 Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 As a buisnessman or a salesman you are trying to get the customers money, whether you believe in it or not. Its what happens on the track that matters to the fans, One wonders if we had of kept or stunning form all throughout the season, would we be having these debates now. Because as I said in a earlier post everything was rosey back in March/April time? Have our crowds been that bad, Peter Waite didn't have as expensive riders as Complin, Alden and Ashworth then we had a PR statement saying we are one of the big boys with one of the biggest budgets in the PL. Bold statement you'd expect an improvement on track or at least consistancy as to what our is open to view for the fans, or are we still a small club and cut our cloth accordingly Just so we all know could you please enlighten us as to how much Complin, Alden, and Ashworth were on or are you just guessing again ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) Oppotunity missed I feel,Berwick have won praise from supporters from other clubs as a forward thinking promotion,what a chance they had to put those views over,and anyway it wouldve been nice to see their ideas for a way foward.Every other promotion bothered so why not Berwick. No, very sensible when you read the reasons, more so that it is their first chance to put their ideas across at the BSPA meeting. At least we have some good quality Businessmen running our club who know when to forgo a pretty fishing type of article in the name of integrity. Edited November 18, 2012 by bigeddiechek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 At least we have some good quality Butchers running our club who know how to knock up a half decent burger... you've lost the plot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 you've lost the plot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Just so we all know could you please enlighten us as to how much Complin, Alden, and Ashworth were on or are you just guessing again ?. Please read my post again, I'm sure your an intelligent bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alang Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Glasgow population-about a million + surrounding area Edinburgh-half a million + Newcastle-about the same Sheffield-about the same Berwick-about fifteen thousand plus-in one of the lowest wage areas in the country, on a percentage basis of crowd to population we're not doing badly.problem is where are the extra people to come from?If you think of it in this way I think present and past promoters have done amazingly well to keep it going for as long as they have 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king junior Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) Glasgow population-about a million + surrounding area Edinburgh-half a million + Newcastle-about the same Sheffield-about the same Berwick-about fifteen thousand plus-in one of the lowest wage areas in the country, on a percentage basis of crowd to population we're not doing badly.problem is where are the extra people to come from?If you think of it in this way I think present and past promoters have done amazingly well to keep it going for as long as they have But on the upside Berwick have very little competition in sports teams. Whereas Sheffield have 2 well supported football teams, a successful hockey side and other teams in basketball. It must be very difficult to convince fans to pay £16 a week for speedway when there's the Owls within walking distance of the track! Edited November 17, 2012 by skj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Glasgow population-about a million + surrounding area Edinburgh-half a million + Newcastle-about the same Sheffield-about the same Berwick-about fifteen thousand plus-in one of the lowest wage areas in the country, on a percentage basis of crowd to population we're not doing badly.problem is where are the extra people to come from?If you think of it in this way I think present and past promoters have done amazingly well to keep it going for as long as they have so how and why were we informed Berwick had one of the biggest budgets in the league??.... Now we are talking on a thread about survival?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) Glasgow population-about a million + surrounding area Edinburgh-half a million + Newcastle-about the same Sheffield-about the same Berwick-about fifteen thousand plus-in one of the lowest wage areas in the country, on a percentage basis of crowd to population we're not doing badly.problem is where are the extra people to come from?If you think of it in this way I think present and past promoters have done amazingly well to keep it going for as long as they have Glasgow population-about a million + surrounding area Edinburgh-half a million + Newcastle-about the same Sheffield-about the same Berwick-about fifteen thousand plus-in one of the lowest wage areas in the country, on a percentage basis of crowd to population we're not doing badly.problem is where are the extra people to come from?If you think of it in this way I think present and past promoters have done amazingly well to keep it going for as long as they have I think Berwick are suffering from the same problem as Edinburgh (bearing in mind that Armadale is 20miles from Edinburgh)in that alot of the support is not local but in the Borders and surrounding area and with the recession and high fuel prices might be having a knock on effect regarding the lower attendances in recent years.It would be an interesting survey to find out where the support is based IMO Edited November 17, 2012 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 But on the upside Berwick have very little competition in sports teams. Whereas Sheffield have 2 well supported football teams, a successful hockey side and other teams in basketball. It must be very difficult to convince fans to pay £16 a week for speedway when there's the Owls within walking distance of the track! The hockey should read ice hockey, But also add to that you have 1 Rugby League Team 2 Rugby Union teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairplay1 Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Please read my post again, I'm sure your an intelligent bloke Have our crowds been that bad, Peter Waite didn't have as expensive riders as Complin, Alden and Ashworth. So how much were they on then you obiously know as you state peter waite had cheaper riders........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Iwould put my neck on the line and say that Lee Seb and Ricy would cost more than Adrian, Michal and tero Berwick's highest averages for the tart of the 08 season. I could well be wrong if so I apolagise deeply to you Mr F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Have our crowds been that bad, Peter Waite didn't have as expensive riders as Complin, Alden and Ashworth. So how much were they on then you obiously know as you state peter waite had cheaper riders........ Have our crowds been that bad, Peter Waite didn't have as expensive riders as Complin, Alden and Ashworth. So how much were they on then you obiously know as you state peter waite had cheaper riders........ Whatever way you want to look at it It has been stated that the club is not sustainable on present crowd levels .Only the Promotion knows where the money is being lost.The crowds had dwindle by the time Peter finished ,they were up again when the present promotion took charge but seem to be dropping off again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) ...The crowds had dwindled by the time Peter finished, they were up again when the present promotion took charge, but seem to be dropping off again. If true, then that statement is quite revealing as to where to problem is. Another interesting point, going back to Peter's era, is the 2005 season where we finished 2nd in the league, the crowds plummeted. That was not my observation, but Peter's own words to me. Edited November 18, 2012 by bigeddiechek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 If true, then that statement is quite revealing as to where to problem is. Another interesting point, going back to Peter's era, is the 2005 season where we finished 2nd in the league, the crowds plummeted. That was not my observation, but Peter's own words to me. That was only my observation and it might well be wrong,but given the fact that at most clubs the "behind the scenes" work if most done by volunteers I would think that most expense is down to Stadium Rental and Rider costs( wages and travel) ,but there again I might be wrong on that account too.Like I say it is only my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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