greyhoundp Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) Keeping a weather watch, we have had some miserable drizzly overnight wet stuff, but it is forecast to be dry but damp for the rest of the day and tomorrow, though dull and overcast, so looks though not great, at least damp, and dull, probably more chance of it getting Fogged off. http://www.myweather...rse.aspx?sday=1 Edited October 22, 2012 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 I definitely believe that RR will hurt The Tigers more than the Heathens here and the respective reserve pairings form and fitness will have a big influence on the overall outcome . The decision to go with the playoff final first will also benefit Dudley as they obviously want to catch the opposition off guard before they get used to the track . Lets be honest , unless something goes seriously awry the KO cup has gone to Suffolk ! And for the comment on ding dong battles between Roynon and Garrity there should only be one winner here and it isn't Mildenhalls guest ! If a rider that's banging in near Max's in the Prem league doesn't go through the card then he's the one with the problem . ( My opinion ) The Tigers to win the cup ! The Heathens to take a big lead to West Row on wednesday ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Not so sure on these predictions. In the league encounter, Mildenhall lost by 14 but had an ineffective number one and Dudley had Perry at reserve. Put Garrity in and move Perry up and it would have been very close indeed (there was also a shocking refereeing decision to exclude Blackbird in one race).Looking at the weather reports the conditions will be similar. Mildenhall are definitely weakened by having to use rider replacement but not much, as Bates is riding superbly and Jacobs beat Roynon last time. Dudley by 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 The decision to go with the playoff final first will also benefit Dudley as they obviously want to catch the opposition off guard before they get used to the track . No choice in the matter as League takes priority. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Updates (Playoff final) http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dud&action=display&thread=11049&page=1 (Koc) http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dud&action=display&thread=11048 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 are season tickets valid for tonite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Just picking up on a few comments - The reason the KOC is second is surely because it's more important to get a result from the PO 1st leg. The KOC could be won after about 10 heats so if necessary that meeting could be abandonned if the time is against us. It would be foolish to run all 15 heats of that meeting and risk running out of the time for the PO meeting. Whilst I will acknowledge that r/r potentially hits Mildenhall hard be under no illusion it's going to potentially hit us hard too. 'Boris' had been in superb form, certainly the form of his season. The two lads perform pretty much the same roll for their respective club. You can make arguments that this rider or that rider might cover well, and yes Ash for example is very good at Monmore, but I could counter with Ash and James have blown an engine each over the weekend and Dan has been ill. We could all point to a hundred potential influences but I think r/r, on paper at least, pretty much evens itself out tonight. Some of the stats for the Heathens are quite staggering and rarely will a whole team improve so much as a unit in one season. In '83 arguably the, or one of the (just for Rob ), greatest teams of all time posted a combined average of 61.72 (incl BPs) for the Heathens. In '12 this Heathens team has posted 61.35 (incl BPs), though from less meetings. At home, though from only a few meetings, the figure is 66.67 with two riders way over 11 and five over 9. Even James, who's taken some unfair stick from some quarters, has a home average over 6½ (with BPs). However, these figures were not posted by facing a team with the qualities that Mildenhall have every week. If I remember right, in the league fixture Mildehall had a shaky start (or the Heathens were flying) and then they pegged us later when tradionally (if three years constitutes a tradition ) we come on strong. Roynon had his worst league meeting of the season against Mildenhall at home. He's only human and is, of course, beatable. Jacobs had a cracker last time and Garrity is a very real threat. Bates is a potential trump card at reserve. The bottom line for me is that the riders are largely very closely matched an ultimately it's going to come down to who can perform on the night (and tomorrow). Hopefully we'll see some cracking speedway and everybody will come out the other side in one piece. *stats from the Dudley and Cradley websites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Just picking up on a few comments - The reason the KOC is second is surely because it's more important to get a result from the PO 1st leg. The KOC could be won after about 10 heats so if necessary that meeting could be abandonned if the time is against us. It would be foolish to run all 15 heats of that meeting and risk running out of the time for the PO meeting. Whilst I will acknowledge that r/r potentially hits Mildenhall hard be under no illusion it's going to potentially hit us hard too. 'Boris' had been in superb form, certainly the form of his season. The two lads perform pretty much the same roll for their respective club. You can make arguments that this rider or that rider might cover well, and yes Ash for example is very good at Monmore, but I could counter with Ash and James have blown an engine each over the weekend and Dan has been ill. We could all point to a hundred potential influences but I think r/r, on paper at least, pretty much evens itself out tonight. Some of the stats for the Heathens are quite staggering and rarely will a whole team improve so much as a unit in one season. In '83 arguably the, or one of the (just for Rob ), greatest teams of all time posted a combined average of 61.72 (incl BPs) for the Heathens. In '12 this Heathens team has posted 61.35 (incl BPs), though from less meetings. At home, though from only a few meetings, the figure is 66.67 with two riders way over 11 and five over 9. Even James, who's taken some unfair stick from some quarters, has a home average over 6½ (with BPs). However, these figures were not posted by facing a team with the qualities that Mildenhall have every week. If I remember right, in the league fixture Mildehall had a shaky start (or the Heathens were flying) and then they pegged us later when tradionally (if three years constitutes a tradition ) we come on strong. Roynon had his worst league meeting of the season against Mildenhall at home. He's only human and is, of course, beatable. Jacobs had a cracker last time and Garrity is a very real threat. Bates is a potential trump card at reserve. The bottom line for me is that the riders are largely very closely matched an ultimately it's going to come down to who can perform on the night (and tomorrow). Hopefully we'll see some cracking speedway and everybody will come out the other side in one piece. *stats from the Dudley and Cradley websites Yep, i agree wholeheartedly, 21st thats why i get frustrated when people keep saying The Heathens are favourites, it will come down to whohandles the conditions best, and who wants it most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 anyone know if the roadworks between bilston and monmore wood are still there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Yep, i agree wholeheartedly, 21st thats why i get frustrated when people keep saying The Heathens are favourites, it will come down to whohandles the conditions best, and who wants it most. The Heathens have got to be big favourites ! At least one of their meetings is at home where The Tigers have effectively got 2 away matches , its a no brainer ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craftman Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Good luck Dudley , don't let what's gone before count for nothing ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fentigers79 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Yep, i agree wholeheartedly, 21st thats why i get frustrated when people keep saying The Heathens are favourites, it will come down to whohandles the conditions best, and who wants it most. Surely you can see you keep saying dudley are the underdogs and heathens are not the favourites, we are only turning it Round on you and disagreeing I think we are allowed to disagree and while you keep posting and starting threads saying that we will continue to disagree its not brain surgery! And as super blue says now mildenhall do not have the advantage of a home meeting at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Weather aint very good tonight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Some of the stats for the Heathens are quite staggering and rarely will a whole team improve so much as a unit in one season. In '83 arguably the, or one of the (just for Rob ), greatest teams of all time Cheers. As we've discussed before, it's impossible to split Cradley' 83, Oxford '86, Belle Vue '72 and Ipswich '98. All were fantastic teams, who completely dominated the opposition in the years in question. Although only one of them has a 100% league record. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Weather aint very good tonight! is it raining? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Cheers. As we've discussed before, it's impossible to split Cradley' 83, Oxford '86, Belle Vue '72 and Ipswich '98. All were fantastic teams, who completely dominated the opposition in the years in question. Although only one of them has a 100% league record. All the best Rob It isn't impossible. Cradley '83 first the others close behind. We've had this discussion before and it has been scientifically proven that I am right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Was never going to be close , just as I predicted ! Big difference was at reserve . At West Row the Tigers might still have had a chance but a home match away ? Its not gonna happen ! ( Sorry to be a pessimist ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Are u jokin super blue, u av a great chance still, we will av to bring in a 3 pointer now with perry gettin injured. U still av a great chance, dudley will do well to keep it below 14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) It isn't impossible. Cradley '83 first the others close behind. We've had this discussion before and it has been scientifically proven that I am right. The "greatest team of all-time" does not lose one of its league meetings by 46 points to 32. You did Under the 13-heat-format, Oxford '86 would beat Cradley Heath '83 by using tactical subs and then grabbing it at the death. Remember our second heat-leader in '86 (Wiggy) had a 11.01 average in league meetings, better than Erik's '83 figure for Cradley Heath. Man-for-man, Cradley do have the edge, but put the two teams out under the 13-heat formula which suited top-heavy teams, and Oxford '86 would come out on top. Not that we were that top-heavy in '86, Per Sorensen and Nigel De'ath were both riding out of their skins and had averages of near 7.00 in our league meetings. As soon as Oxford moved up in 1984, Cradley didn't win another league title. You met your match, ironically in your "nusery side" from 1978 to 1982. McCormick treated Oxford well, but the moment Adams came in, Oxford were stuffed by Cradley. So it was great when we moved up, and got the chance to stop you guys winning any more titles. 21st CH, look what you've started up again All the best Rob Edited October 23, 2012 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichkev Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Are u jokin super blue, u av a great chance still, we will av to bring in a 3 pointer now with perry gettin injured. U still av a great chance, dudley will do well to keep it below 14. Fair comment, well done to Dudley tonite. Missed the meeting but sounds like a tricky track due to the weather conditions. Is set up well for tomorrow assuming you are correct on a 3 pointer that doesn't include e.g. an attempt at slight of hand with somebody like Ellis - not suggesting for one minute that your promotion are that desperate, but hey this is speedway. Fair play to Kings Lynn for allowing use of their facilities - whoever comes out on top on the track deserves the title. Shame though that no Heeps, Blackbird, Perry or Becker. Kev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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