Scunthorpe V Somerset (play-off Final, 2nd Leg), ***now Re-staged Monday, October 29th (7.30pm)***

[screm]

Let Somerset moan all they want,Scunthorpe won the Play-offs and thats that.

 

Congratulations to all at Scunthorpe Speedway.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Well done to Scunthorpe - I felt they were the best side to visit Foxhall this year so not surprised to see them lift the trophy.

 

It is a shame though that Sonerset scored more 'real points' but lost.

[montie]

 

 

You have to question Somerset's use of him as a guest, though. His average is no less than 2.25 points below Doyle's so effectively you are replacing one of the league's top riders with someone who is a third heat leader at best, and its difficult to believe that he was the best choice avilable.

 

 

Maybe 2.25 points below Doyle,but a genuine track specialist,and do not forget he blew up two engines last night

 

Giving Hall some stick is simply unfair,on 3 occasions last night in heat 15 he nearly got through into 3rd,anf off the dead gate 3 someone had to mke a pass,he was the man for heat15

[NJC71]

A great fighting display by the 5 Rebels but up against it with two passengers in Hall and Kerr and a Scunthorpe tactical, a rule that makes a mockery of the whole affair. Would it have been different if Wrighty kept still at the tapes? Somersets team managers May and Bishop made two blunders, the first was changing reserves in heat 11 at the Oak Tree and putting Kerr in against the Scunny tactical, and secondly putting Hall in heat 15 tonight. Alex Davies 8 points, Claus Vissing 7 points, so you put in Hall who had only scored 5, unbelievable. Would love to know the reason for this as it defies all common sense, and at the moment I feel very angry. .

 

Well done Scunthorpe.

 

I hate the tactical rule and it should be scrapped in two legged matches. But it has to be said that Somerset benefited in the semi-final where they used a successful tactical when 10 behind at Brough whereas Newcastle never got the opportunity in the first leg.

 

Would like to see the play-offs changed to top 4 only next year or preferably the league winners crowned champions with a play-off cup competition on the same lines as the promotion/relegation a couple of years back (but for a cup only)

Edited October 30, 2012 by NJC71

[dirtdodger]

cindarella shine's at the ball ,well done to both team's for a great meeting in less than perfect conditions,congratulations to the scorpions! to the rebels fans ,you can beproud of your teams performace.

[speedway_dan]

Love or hate them.....the el and pl playoffs bring massive excitement to British speedway. Think they are here to stay.

 

Well done Scunthorpe - massive achievement for a club that hasn't been around long and is clearly going places.

Edited October 30, 2012 by speedway_dan

[womble53]

Let Somerset moan all they want,Scunthorpe won the Play-offs and thats that.

 

Congratulations to all at Scunthorpe Speedway.

 

Where do you get that from, what total and utter rubbish you're spouting, and not for the first time.

 

The vast majority of Rebels fans on here have congratulated Scunthorpe on their victory, and the odd one or two Somerset 'Fans', and it is only one or two that have criticised the management for the use of Richard Hall, both in the match and in Heat 15, know absolutely nothing about the reasons for that, and rather than find out first, choose to have a go from a distance. Some of them are not even true Rebels fans, but followers of other teams, who choose to comment as if they were.

 

There are also several posters on here who should know better, but have their own agendas, who couldn't wait to jump on and add their 'twopenneth worth' of nonsense. None of those who have posted know how much time various members of the management team spent on the phone or just how many riders were contacted after Cookie withdrew on Saturday night, and Tom was injured before Friday. Instead they just shoot from the lip, without first even trying to find out what true suituation was.

 

As for Richard Hall getting the ride in Heat 15, all I can say is that when you are in a situation where one of your riders may have to come from behind to score points at Scunthorpe, then there is no better man than Hall for the job. What Hall had scored before that heat is irrelevant, unless you take into account of how he reached that total, and as already stated, he blew a couple of engines last night, and one when in second place, which would have given him the same points as Claus and Wrighty, and therefore just as entitled to be in the heat as they were. Anyone who doubts his inclusion in the heat should seek out the video of the race, and then come back and criticise. From what I understand it was pretty desperate stuff at times, which prevented Richard scoring the point we needed.

 

Before anyone asks, no I wasn't there, but I have taken the trouble to speak to people that were, and find out what happened and why, before I came on to post, but by that time all the commando's and troll's had already posted their nonsense.

 

It's a pity either team had to lose in such a thrilling encounter, but someone had to, and this time is was the Rebels. You won't find any true Rebels fan that isn't proud of the way the team performed, they gave their all, and that goes to all riders who wore the colours this year, including those being unfairly bereated here. You did us proud !!

 

Finally many congratulations to the Scunthorpe management, riders and fans on their superb victory, and producing two extremely tense and exciting matches that went to make up this final.

Edited October 30, 2012 by womble53

[tomsharp]

Hearty congrats to Scunthorpe, enjoy your win.

I think it's only natural for Rebels fans to go over the what ifs and if only's. I've done it often enough myself. Both teams appear to have put on a great show and pulled in a big crowd and they should be congratulated for that.

Lets hope all the teams are back at the tapes next season and we can do it all over again.

[squall]

£200 profit thank you very much

 

Bet was placed on 30th January before half the teams had even released their full 1-7's.

 

Congrats to everyone at Scunthorpe Speedway, and to myself for being awesome

[montie]

Drama to the last bend of the last race,cant ask for better finish really,Two good teams on the best two race tracks in the Uk over two legs was always going to be a tight one,and so it proved

 

Fair play to the Rebels for running it so close,and nice to see each and everyone of them interviewed before the prize giving,was interesting to hear from them all

 

Really well done to Scunny,NL champs last year and PL champs this year,good time for the club and all involved

 

If anyone had seen the track at 3pm yesterday after yet another unforecast downpour,its hard to believe this meeting went ahead,let alone produce so racing,as the riders arrived it still looked bad and many seemed to this it was a waste of time,but by tapes up they had a first class surface

 

Great to see TT legend John Mcguinnes there to hand out the trophy to,great bloke with real interest in Speedway

[Statman]

Where do you get that from, what total and utter rubbish you're spouting, and not for the first time.

 

The vast majority of Rebels fans on here have congratulated Scunthorpe on their victory, and the odd one or two Somerset 'Fans', and it is only one or two that have criticised the management for the use of Richard Hall, both in the match and in Heat 15, know absolutely nothing about the reasons for that, and rather than find out first, choose to have a go from a distance. Some of them are not even true Rebels fans, but followers of other teams, who choose to comment as if they were.

 

There are also several posters on here who should know better, but have their own agendas, who couldn't wait to jump on and add their 'twopenneth worth' of nonsense. None of those who have posted know how much time various members of the management team spent on the phone or just how many riders were contacted after Cookie withdrew on Saturday night, and Tom was injured before Friday. Instead they just shoot from the lip, without first even trying to find out what true suituation was.

 

As for Richard Hall getting the ride in Heat 15, all I can say is that when you are in a situation where one of your riders may have to come from behind to score points at Scunthorpe, then there is no better man than Hall for the job. What Hall had scored before that heat is irrelevant, unless you take into account of how he reached that total, and as already stated, he blew a couple of engines last night, and one when in second place, which would have given him the same points as Claus and Wrighty, and therefore just as entitled to be in the heat as they were. Anyone who doubts his inclusion in the heat should seek out the video of the race, and then come back and criticise. From what I understand it was pretty desperate stuff at times, which prevented Richard scoring the point we needed.

 

Before anyone asks, no I wasn't there, but I have taken the trouble to speak to people that were, and find out what happened and why, before I came on to post, but by that time all the commando's and troll's had already posted their nonsense.

 

It's a pity either team had to lose in such a thrilling encounter, but someone had to, and thios time is was the Rebels. You won't find any true Rebels fan that isn't proud of the way the team performed, they gave there all, and that goes to all riders who wore the colours this year, including those being unfairly bereated here. You did us proud !!

 

Finally many congratulations to the Scunthorpe management, riders and fans on their superb victory, and producing two extremely tense and exciting matches that went to make up this final.

 

It is also interesting to note that those who criticised the booking/use of Hall and Kerr as guest replacements have yet to put forward any suggestions as to who they would have used instead, so to use a phrase we used to have where I worked - don't come to the table if you don't have an alternative!

 

There were some Somerset supporters there last night who had driven up on Sunday for the original staging of the match only to have the match called off soon after they got there. They then endured a 6 1/2 hour drive home (due to a number of incidents and road works on ruote back), only to drive back up again yesterday to support the team and suffered just as bad a journey back as they had the previous night.

 

They came into the pits after the meeting PROUD of what the Rebels had achieved not just in the Play-Off Final, but over the season as a whole...no criticism from them of any decisions etc that the team management may have made, just pure PRIDE in their team.

[hunch]

It is also interesting to note that those who criticised the booking/use of Hall and Kerr as guest replacements have yet to put forward any suggestions as to who they would have used instead, so to use a phrase we used to have where I worked - don't come to the table if you don't have an alternative!

 

There were some Somerset supporters there last night who had driven up on Sunday for the original staging of the match only to have the match called off soon after they got there. They then endured a 6 1/2 hour drive home (due to a number of incidents and road works on ruote back), only to drive back up again yesterday to support the team and suffered just as bad a journey back as they had the previous night.

 

They came into the pits after the meeting PROUD of what the Rebels had achieved not just in the Play-Off Final, but over the season as a whole...no criticism from them of any decisions etc that the team management may have made, just pure PRIDE in their team.

 

The rebels fans who did attend the meeting were a credit to your club,after the dissapointment on Sunday thats real commitment to travel back up..noisy bunch too which all added to a great atmosphere.

Both clubs should be very proud of the way last nights meeting played out...shame someone had to lose in the end,but as a long time Scunthorpe fan im very happy right now!

To those who are knocking the use of Hally in ht 15...he absolutely rode his socks off in that race and was so close...no one rides the track better in those situations so i can understand Someset giving him a go

[Halifaxtiger]

Maybe 2.25 points below Doyle,but a genuine track specialist,and do not forget he blew up two engines last night

 

Giving Hall some stick is simply unfair,on 3 occasions last night in heat 15 he nearly got through into 3rd,anf off the dead gate 3 someone had to mke a pass,he was the man for heat15

 

Not giving Hall stick so much as Somerset for choosing him...........and is he a track specialist ?

 

Scores this season at least would not suggest that.

 

It is also interesting to note that those who criticised the booking/use of Hall and Kerr as guest replacements have yet to put forward any suggestions as to who they would have used instead, so to use a phrase we used to have where I worked - don't come to the table if you don't have an alternative!

 

Its difficult to actually state anyone because we don't know if they were available or not but as an example wouldn't Stuart Robson fit the bill ?

 

A genuine number one, a rider who never gives up and one who has scored more points than Richard Hall at Scunny this year. I doubt if there is anyone wouldn't sooner have had Robbo given the choice.

 

The NL rider is more difficult, but Joe Jacobs has been superbly consistent for Mildenhall this season and is averaging about 2 points higher than Lewis Kerr.

[Statman]

Not giving Hall stick so much as Somerset for choosing him...........and is he a track specialist ?

 

Scores this season at least would not suggest that.

 

 

 

Its difficult to actually state anyone because we don't know if they were available or not but as an example wouldn't Stuart Robson fit the bill ?

 

A genuine number one, a rider who never gives up and one who has scored more points than Richard Hall at Scunny this year. I doubt if there is anyone wouldn't sooner have had Robbo given the choice.

 

The NL rider is more difficult, but Joe Jacobs has been superbly consistent for Mildenhall this season and is averaging about 2 points higher than Lewis Kerr.

 

So if you didn't know who was available or not why make comment as to choice of guest used?

 

Stuart Robson, eh? So what if Newcastle's match at home to Ipswich on Sunday have been called off and it re-scheduled for Monday as well? What Somerset needed was someone who was definitely available on Sunday and Monday (and possibly Tuesday and Wednesday for that matter!) and Robson wasn't.

[EC Rides Again]

As I said in my post last night the decision to use Hall in Heat 15 was a gamble, but a logical gamble. Scunthorpe had choice of gates and automatically took 2 & 4. Gate 3 was the "dead man's gate", as usual, and a Rebel was going to have to do their best from a probable disadvantage after the first bend. If any of the Rebels 1-7 last night was going to pull off a pass against the Scorpion's best two riders it was Hall. He nearly did it, as well ! It took some classical old-school team riding from Morris out wide and Auty on the inside to thwart Hall's attempts.

 

To get as good a surface for the track as the staff managed was a fantastic effort, however it did mean that the riding of the start up to the exit of the second bend was critical to most heats. There was great action for the first 3/4 of the first lap in most races as both sides put in 100% effort. To make a pass after that took very brave riding, hence the falls in the middle of the meeting as the tension of the match became suffocating.

 

Thrilled for all the managemnet, staff and riders at Scunthorpe. The club is a template for the future of the sport.

 

Felt sorry for the Rebels fans, management and riders. So close but yet so far. They all handled themselves very well in the aftermath of their defeat.

 

Cliche, I know, but speedway was the winner last night !

 

Thanks to the Belle Vue lads for their tension relieving humour too.

Edited October 30, 2012 by EC Rides Again

[Halifaxtiger]

So if you didn't know who was available or not why make comment as to choice of guest used?

 

Stuart Robson, eh? So what if Newcastle's match at home to Ipswich on Sunday have been called off and it re-scheduled for Monday as well? What Somerset needed was someone who was definitely available on Sunday and Monday (and possibly Tuesday and Wednesday for that matter!) and Robson wasn't.

 

My point was that Doyle's average was 2.25 points above Hall's. Somerset replaced one of the league's best riders with a third heat leader at best.

 

While I don't know who was available or not, neither do you.

 

What I do know is there are around 15 riders with averages higher than Hall's who might have been chosen. Is it really reasonable to suggest that none of them could have been an option ? If not, then I think comment on the choice of guest is entirely reasonable.

[Massey Harris]

So, not only do the Somerset Management/Promotion book two useless guests for the final in Hall and Kerr - they then put one of them out in Heat 15 in a championship winning race - in front of the likes of Davies and Vissing.

 

Absolute ludicrous and a disgrace. I would be disgusted if I were one of the full time Rebels.

 

Well done to Davies and Monberg who can hold their heads up high. Unlucky on Doyle who was simply sensational all year...James Wright no comment.

 

And last of all, well done Scunthorpe who deserved the title after their first leg performance.

 

I'd be disgusted if I thought this poster was at the meeting

[womble53]

While I don't know who was available or not, neither do you.

 

If Statman doesn't know, then no one does..........by replying in that way you have just proved my point about posting from a position where you don't have knowledge of the situation, but choose to post regardless of the facts.

 

From your posts on here, I thought you were better than that, but what do I know?

[SomersetBlue]

going by what people have said hall rode well and deserved more so thanks for helping out richard

[neb]

i understand what some fans are saying,there are bigger and betters riders out there that might of scored more than hall but was any of them available? one rider who would of fitted the bill was our own,scunny's ex magnus karlsson who knows his way round the ewr as good as anyone but like montie said in an earlier post the chances are he would not of been in the country and that probably goes for many riders at this time of the year,most have made tracks home.whoever the guest it would of been a gamble and with richard i think it was a good choice and a gamble that almost paid off what you get with richard hall weather he comes in first or last as we saw many times at leicester last year is 100% commitment and effort and you cant knock that.i think maybe you should take a look at one ore two of your own riders before giving richard a hard time.

anyway well done scunny and although i wasn't there by all accounts there were two winners scunthorpe and speedway in general and where was sky?