Leicester Lions 2013

[TMW]

It's all very well talking about what might have been with Roynon. The fact of the matter is that Magnus was a more than able replacement. I'd say and it is only my opnion that Jan does not like the NO.2 position no rider does it's the 3rd averaged rider in the team up against heatleaders I think he rides better at NO.4 one thing I don't tend to study is ht trends so if there is a reason why Doolan can't go at 2 and Jan at 4 then can someone explain please.

[stevethelion]

It's all very well talking about what might have been with Roynon. The fact of the matter is that Magnus was a more than able replacement. I'd say and it is only my opnion that Jan does not like the NO.2 position no rider does it's the 3rd averaged rider in the team up against heatleaders I think he rides better at NO.4 one thing I don't tend to study is ht trends so if there is a reason why Doolan can't go at 2 and Jan at 4 then can someone explain please.

I have to agree with you no.2 is probabaly the hardest position to ride & you get no easy rides apart from heat 8, but i think the reason Doolan is kept at no.4 is that it makes us stronger in heat 14 when you need a better experienced rider right at the death, if Graversen rode at no.4, it would be him & whichever reserve was at no.6, which would make it a pretty weak line-up at a crucial stage of the meeting. At the Newcastle match it was Doolan's heat 14 win over Lindgren that left us still in with a chance of victory in that last heat.

[TMW]

I have to agree with you no.2 is probabaly the hardest position to ride & you get no easy rides apart from heat 8, but i think the reason Doolan is kept at no.4 is that it makes us stronger in heat 14 when you need a better experienced rider right at the death, if Graversen rode at no.4, it would be him & whichever reserve was at no.6, which would make it a pretty weak line-up at a crucial stage of the meeting. At the Newcastle match it was Doolan's heat 14 win over Lindgren that left us still in with a chance of victory in that last heat.

 

But if Graverson rides better at no.4 then maybe there would be more in the meeting before Ht 14 surely. That's just my thinking and thank you for your thoughts.

Edited July 28, 2013 by TMW

[stevethelion]

But if Graverson rides better at no.4 then maybe there would be more in the meeting before Ht 14 surely. That's just my thinking and thank you for your thoughts.

There's a good arguement either way whoever rides at no.2/4.But i think the main problem this season as been the lack of a true no1,when the new averages begin on the 1st of August, Kauko will have lost not far short of a full point off his average 8.18 at the start of the season , down to 7.32 & Lasse will be the new no.1, all the sucessful teams have lots of riders who add points to their average during the season & for your no. 1 to lose that amount is always going to cause a problem.Obviously that & the big problems we've had at reserve all season, i feel is the reason we have under achieved.

[lionking]

Looking back on paper our team last season on paper it is weaker but in reality it was stronger.

 

As much as people moaned about him we had Jari Makinen at reserve who you could rely on scoring 7 points every home match. His away form left alot to be desired but we covered that with the main body.

 

Far too weak at reserve this season Branford is the worst person to pull a new era lions jacket on.

He has the biggest ego & his U21 title was the biggest fluke in the world . Unfortunately that boosted his far too big ego. He walks round & talks like Jason Crump but gets on a bike & rides like Donald Trump ;-)

 

Obviously that & the big problems we've had at reserve all season, i feel is the reason we have under achieved.

[TMW]

There's a good arguement either way whoever rides at no.2/4.But i think the main problem this season as been the lack of a true no1,when the new averages begin on the 1st of August, Kauko will have lost not far short of a full point off his average 8.18 at the start of the season , down to 7.32 & Lasse will be the new no.1, all the sucessful teams have lots of riders who add points to their average during the season & for your no. 1 to lose that amount is always going to cause a problem.Obviously that & the big problems we've had at reserve all season, i feel is the reason we have under achieved.

 

Good to read another perspective. The injury to Edberg can't be helped but because he is relatively low averaged so good guests are probably limited. which puts a lot of pressure on Brandford just as he is finding his confidence.

[lionking]

He has " just been finding his confidence " since Redcar 1st signed him i think it's time Branford just accepted he isn't good enough for PL racing.

which puts a lot of pressure on Brandford just as he is finding his confidence.

[TMW]

He has " just been finding his confidence " since Redcar 1st signed him i think it's time Branford just accepted he isn't good enough for PL racing.

 

Although I haven't spoken to Rob since riding for Leicester. He has never come across to me as arrogant or above himself he is kept well grounded by his dad Darrell and he certainly doesn't have a bells and whistles set up very much a 1 man band. Maybe it is just his accent that implies arrogance as a lot of the Aussies can come across like that. Once you get into that rut I suppose.it's difficult to break. Rob just needs to break it and he will be there but these days it's up to reserves to win meetings which is not what they are intended for. All to often they expecting to cover for under performing main body riders covering for 7 & 8 point riders holding a 3 or 4 point average the ones that do are on false averages. Rob is also coming back from an injury that he got the back end of last season like Simon Nielson like Steve Worrall and the list goes on.

[wandersome]

Branford appears to have the same kind of issues with the track that Blackbird does. He never looks too bad going around bend 1/2 but appears to get bend 3/4 all wrong on what seems like 3 laps out of every 4.

[Leicester Lion]

Another home point dropped, this time to a team below us. If we keep losing something like 20-25% of our home points we won't get anywhere near the play-offs.

[ukrossifan]

Had forgotten about the Premier challenge for team finishing 7-12th, at least it will give season ticket holders a bit better value than I thought. I just hope the number of non season ticket holders that attend & sponsorship etc is enough to ensure the meetings break even.

There is NOT any competition this year for 7-12th in PL, it's playoffs or bust

[Gemini]

Looks like an early Winter for both East Midlands clubs then.

[wandersome]

There is NOT any competition this year for 7-12th in PL, it's playoffs or bust

 

If we don't make the play offs can we expect more meetings to be added to the fixture list? If we don't make the play offs then i make it 15 PL standard meetings (£15), The Pride (£15), a juniors meeting (was that £5?), a sub NL standard meeting (i'm guessing £10), The freestyle show (£20 if you gets granstand seats) and the midland fours (whatever that is but lets say £15). Thats what is currently left in the fixture list. Even taking the freestyle show as a £20 ticket and if the fours was a £15 premier standard meeting then thats £290 worth of entrances. Season tickets were £330, even with full discount they were £297.

 

Mick

Edited July 29, 2013 by volty

[Vulcan62]

Regarding Rob Branford and our previous young reserves, I have always thought that what they needed was an old fashioned second half to try to master the track without the pressure of league points being on the line. They have all been in good positions only to mess up one of the corners and I suppose this then plays on their mind the next time.

[jackson2]

I think it is a good idea to lower prices for a meting It could work if it is done properly

[robert72]

If we don't make the play offs can we expect more meetings to be added to the fixture list? If we don't make the play offs then i make it 15 PL standard meetings (£15), The Pride (£15), a juniors meeting (was that £5?), a sub NL standard meeting (i'm guessing £10), The freestyle show (£20 if you gets granstand seats) and the midland fours (whatever that is but lets say £15). Thats what is currently left in the fixture list. Even taking the freestyle show as a £20 ticket and if the fours was a £15 premier standard meeting then thats £290 worth of entrances. Season tickets were £330, even with full discount they were £297.

 

Mick

I guess you wont be getting one next year then mick

[TMW]

I'd say cheaper meetings needs planning in advance as that isn't going to improve the season ticket argument if you suddenly throw a cheaper meeting in. It's needs planning at the beginning of the season and price the season tickets accordingly but it is certainly a consideration I would say.for next season

[proud panther]

Good point reference 2nd halves Vulcan 62, but the track is available for practice if the riders need to master the track. My personal opinion is the reserves have struggled because its mainly gate & go, & the reserves have struggled to get out of the starts.

[ukrossifan]

 

 

If we don't make the play offs can we expect more meetings to be added to the fixture list? If we don't make the play offs then i make it 15 PL standard meetings (£15), The Pride (£15), a juniors meeting (was that £5?), a sub NL standard meeting (i'm guessing £10), The freestyle show (£20 if you gets granstand seats) and the midland fours (whatever that is but lets say £15). Thats what is currently left in the fixture list. Even taking the freestyle show as a £20 ticket and if the fours was a £15 premier standard meeting then thats £290 worth of entrances. Season tickets were £330, even with full discount they were £297.

 

Mick

No idea , but I'd think they are trying

 

Good point reference 2nd halves Vulcan 62, but the track is available for practice if the riders need to master the track.

really good point, you hear of loads of other teams riders practising at the track thats available 7 days a week, but hardly ever Leicester riders, not even straight after the meeting when curfew allows. So no excuses

[junior fan]

He has " just been finding his confidence " since Redcar 1st signed him i think it's time Branford just accepted he isn't good enough for PL racing.

Real hero you are mate , slagging off a 19 year old kid trying to do his best miles from home driving to meetings himself rarely with a mechanic , but no doubt your an over achiever that's why you troll the Internet with your fictitious name.Robert is British under 21 champion and proud of it.

 

Junior