robert72 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Ding ding looneyville. City centre. As expected you have completly missed the point I wasnt even replying to you and you butt in with your childish reply, its plain to see why many have left the leicester forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 alot of riders i know its about racing and winning races over money, if you really think that you can make a good living then you are thinking about a different sport,i know alot of riders that were struggling to get to the end of the season. how many is a lot?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neb Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 I wasnt even replying to you and you butt in with your childish reply, its plain to see why many have left the leicester forum as soon as you depart i reckon they will all come flooding back.there is only few of us made of stern stuff that have been able to put up with the likes of you for so long. cant wait for the day when i can say "robert72 has left the building" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 how many is a lot?? Last season i personally knew of 9 riders that was really struggling but loads and loads over the years. as soon as you depart i reckon they will all come flooding back.there is only few of us made of stern stuff that have been able to put up with the likes of you for so long. cant wait for the day when i can say "robert72 has left the building" nob, you are a major factor to why people leave the forum, you only seem to abuse people and follow there every post to make snide comments, I really wonder if you attend any matches or your only interest is to be a troll on forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrossifan Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Robert, some posters on here have children who are riders so know as much or more than you ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Robert, some posters on here have children who are riders so know as much or more than you ! very doubtful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Shows your complete lack of knowledge of speedway riders earnings, most have other jobs to pay for racing,some have backing from family members to pay for there racing,some have major sponsors to pay for there racing,So if you honestly think 99% of speedway riders go to make a fortune then you are so wrong,how many have to work hard during the winter to pay for the season just gone. I don't recall anyone saying riders make a fortune,but in any case why should they?They get the going rate for the job like we all do,if they have to do a 'real' job to subsidise speedway then so be it.its their choice. Edited February 22, 2013 by mrcts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I think there is probably a sizable amount of money that can be earned by the top boys in the PL. However, I think you need to be scoring well consistantly. A couple of bad weeks and I guess what you earned previously is wiped out. I suspect they also rather enjoy the job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsDen Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I think Robert is trying to point out that the sole motivation for riders isn't money, as TMW seems to allude to, and I would agree with him on that. No doubt money is what encourages riders to perform better as it's a performance related sport, and an expensive one too so it's a case of 'needs-must' as far as that goes. However, I don't believe there are many sportsmen that enter their chosen sport thinking only of pound signs. If they do they would be the ones that will never succeed. You need more than that. I would argue that they enter it because they're good at it, they're competitive people by nature and they want to be the best they can be in their field. The financial rewards come with that and like any professional in any business, the best will get duly rewarded. Speedway certainly isn't one of the sports where merely average performers can expect to earn a fortune so surely riders are motivated more by the desire to take part in and compete in the sport that they love rather than earning money. The fact that so many riders continue to ride speedway when they can ill afford to do so would appear to back that up. Anyway, who cares why they do it really? The fact is they do - and with two appalling on-track tragedies having occurred in the last 9 months no-one can begrudge them a penny. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I think Robert is trying to point out that the sole motivation for riders isn't money, as TMW seems to allude to, and I would agree with him on that. No doubt money is what encourages riders to perform better as it's a performance related sport, and an expensive one too so it's a case of 'needs-must' as far as that goes. However, I don't believe there are many sportsmen that enter their chosen sport thinking only of pound signs. If they do they would be the ones that will never succeed. You need more than that. I would argue that they enter it because they're good at it, they're competitive people by nature and they want to be the best they can be in their field. The financial rewards come with that and like any professional in any business, the best will get duly rewarded. Speedway certainly isn't one of the sports where merely average performers can expect to earn a fortune so surely riders are motivated more by the desire to take part in and compete in the sport that they love rather than earning money. The fact that so many riders continue to ride speedway when they can ill afford to do so would appear to back that up. Anyway, who cares why they do it really? The fact is they do - and with two appalling on-track tragedies having occurred in the last 9 months no-one can begrudge them a penny. An excellent post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) I think Robert is trying to point out that the sole motivation for riders isn't money, as TMW seems to allude to, and I would agree with him on that. Sorry Steve but you have taken me completely out of context. The original post from R72 implied that the riders would walk if they didn't get a racing track as they had been promised a racing track. My post about money aludes to money/points/support carry's far more weight than any track being a racer or not that more a supporters issue. They don't even have to like the track all tracks have to be ridden ask those that ride at Plymouth Edited February 22, 2013 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandersome Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Sorry Steve but you have taken me completely out of context. The original post from R72 implied that the riders would walk if they didn't get a racing track as they had been promised a racing track. My post about money aludes to money/points/support carry's far more weight than any track being a racer or not that more a supporters issue. They don't even have to like the track all tracks have to be ridden ask those that ride at Plymouth Well said as well. I'm liking everything today!. That's the issue with forums. The context has gone within a few replies. Well I'm liking everything bar the alterations made to the 1st and 2nd bend. Is there anyone on here who is helping out with the alterations to the 3rd and 4th bend over the weekend. If there is, and they have a basic grasp of the laws of physics with regards to overtaking, any chance of giving a quick lesson to someone who matters before its too late for another season. There must be someone with a little bit of influence on here, Alan Jones and plenty of others I'm sure read the forum, come on, do the right thing, its not too late!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandersome Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) Sorry Steve but you have taken me completely out of context. The original post from R72 implied that the riders would walk if they didn't get a racing track as they had been promised a racing track. My post about money aludes to money/points/support carry's far more weight than any track being a racer or not that more a supporters issue. They don't even have to like the track all tracks have to be ridden ask those that ride at Plymouth Well said as well. I'm liking everything today!. That's the issue with forums. The context has gone within a few replies. Well I'm liking everything bar the alterations made to the 1st and 2nd bend. Is there anyone on here who is helping out with the alterations to the 3rd and 4th bend over the weekend. If there is, and they have a basic grasp of the laws of physics with regards to overtaking, any chance of giving a quick lesson to someone who matters before its too late for another season. There must be someone with a little bit of influence on here, Alan Jones and plenty of others I'm sure read the forum, come on, do the right thing, its not too late to still do it right! Mike the knight. Edited February 23, 2013 by volty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Sorry Steve but you have taken me completely out of context. The original post from R72 implied that the riders would walk if they didn't get a racing track as they had been promised a racing track. My post about money aludes to money/points/support carry's far more weight than any track being a racer or not that more a supporters issue. They don't even have to like the track all tracks have to be ridden ask those that ride at Plymouth Where did i say that ? Riders expect a decent track and thats a fact. Well said as well. I'm liking everything today!. That's the issue with forums. The context has gone within a few replies. Well I'm liking everything bar the alterations made to the 1st and 2nd bend. Is there anyone on here who is helping out with the alterations to the 3rd and 4th bend over the weekend. If there is, and they have a basic grasp of the laws of physics with regards to overtaking, any chance of giving a quick lesson to someone who matters before its too late for another season. There must be someone with a little bit of influence on here, Alan Jones and plenty of others I'm sure read the forum, come on, do the right thing, its not too late!!! The problem is that what DH says goes, he is not a person who takes advice easily from those in the know or anybody else. I have not seen what they have done to turns one and two yet but what i hear its a joke and will make No difference but until i see it i cant make a comment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrossifan Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Where did i say that ? Riders expect a decent track and thats a fact. The problem is that what DH says goes, he is not a person who takes advice easily from those in the know or anybody else. I have not seen what they have done to turns one and two yet but what i hear its a joke and will make No difference but until i see it i cant make a comment. 1) very doubtful is it that a riders parent thru their child knows as much as you ? As usual you have a very high opinion of yourself for someone who goes so little. ! 2) what DH says goes? God forbid that an Owner and Investor in a business should actual have the final say! (Just like they do in any business!!! 3) changes are a joke?? If you look at the well publicised photos, its easy to see how it's opened up the entry and exits to bends 1 and 2 & in effect shortened the straights! For someone who wants DH to take notice of all and sundry, you have the most closed mind to any opinion differing from yours ! Why not practice what you preach for once! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) 1) very doubtful is it that a riders parent thru their child knows as much as you ? As usual you have a very high opinion of yourself for someone who goes so little. ! 2) what DH says goes? God forbid that an Owner and Investor in a business should actual have the final say! (Just like they do in any business!!! 3) changes are a joke?? If you look at the well publicised photos, its easy to see how it's opened up the entry and exits to bends 1 and 2 & in effect shortened the straights! For someone who wants DH to take notice of all and sundry, you have the most closed mind to any opinion differing from yours ! Why not practice what you preach for once! Folks like robert72, and Aljack at Ipppy, are exactly why promoters don't read forums or take their advice when running their own business. Edited February 23, 2013 by Tsunami 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandersome Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Folks like robert72, and Aljack at Ipppy, are exactly why promoters don't read forums or take their advice when running their own business. I'm sure they all read the forums. They might say they don't but as a promoter could you help yourself but have a sneaky look to see what people say about you and your business? It reminds me of a US band i used to tour manage over here. They had a very vibrant forum about them and they many offshoot bands (one of which is one of the biggest in the US) with 2000+ erudite studenty posters disecting their personalities, songs and gigs on a daily basis and they always maintained that they didn't take any notice or read it. In actual fact when i toured them it was pretty much the staple conversation piece. Usually very derogatory about everyone who was writing on the forum but they clearly read and took in pretty much every post about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) I'm sure they all read the forums. They might say they don't but as a promoter could you help yourself but have a sneaky look to see what people say about you and your business? It reminds me of a US band i used to tour manage over here. They had a very vibrant forum about them and they many offshoot bands (one of which is one of the biggest in the US) with 2000+ erudite studenty posters disecting their personalities, songs and gigs on a daily basis and they always maintained that they didn't take any notice or read it. In actual fact when i toured them it was pretty much the staple conversation piece. Usually very derogatory about everyone who was writing on the forum but they clearly read and took in pretty much every post about them. I can assure you that Promoters have a lot more positive things to do than read the ramblings of folks who don't attend or who have a negative view on speedway and any decision made within the sport. Life is too short to waste their time. If there is something illegal or damaging posted on the BSF, no doubt there are plenty of people who advise them of it. Edited February 23, 2013 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 On a different not I see that Lewis Kerr has signed for Newcastle. I thought he was sharing the role at reserve with Lewis blackbird? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 On a different not I see that Lewis Kerr has signed for Newcastle. I thought he was sharing the role at reserve with Lewis blackbird? Been released by Leicester to go full time with Newcastle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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