Leicester Lions 2013

[wandersome]

What I remember about Newport is that there were some very vociferous fans who said, among other things, that the track and promoter needed to change and the crowds would return in their 1000's. The new promotion came in and changed just about everything the forum 'experts' wanted before finding out that the crowds didn't increase and it was money down the drain that hastened the end of the stadium.

 

i think that was probably at least 10 years too late in Newports case, those fans had gone, whereas Leicester were still drawing good crowds last season that weren't disimilar to the latter part of the first season. I think there are still a good proportion of Leicester fans that are still hanging on in there every week hoping the track improves, me included. We got a huge crowd on opening day last season to witness what has to be one of the poorest speedway meetings ever. This was absolutely down to the appalling track and the promotions belief that there was a cheap way to rectify it's issues. I expect another bumper crowd this weekend, if the weather improves, so lets hope, for my sake, we aren't entering groundhog day with regards to the track.

Edited March 11, 2013 by volty

[Skodaman]

i think that was probably at least 10 years too late in Newports case, those fans had gone, whereas Leicester were still drawing good crowds last season that weren't disimilar to the latter part of the first season. I think there are still a good proportion of Leicester fans that are still hanging on in there every week hoping the track improves, me included. We got a huge crowd on opening day last season to witness what has to be one of the poorest speedway meetings ever. This was absolutely down to the appalling track and the promotions belief that there was a cheap way to rectify it's issues. I expect another bumper crowd this weekend, if the weather improves, so lets hope, for my sake, we aren't entering groundhog day with regards to the track.

 

The track for the opening three meetings was abysmal. It was arter those meetings that Gareth disappeared and Glyn was reinstated. Could Gareth have been the major problem then. Dh told me himself that he was not happy with the track preparation for the first three meetings.

[Vince]

i think that was probably at least 10 years too late in Newports case, those fans had gone, whereas Leicester were still drawing good crowds last season that weren't disimilar to the latter part of the first season. I think there are still a good proportion of Leicester fans that are still hanging on in there every week hoping the track improves, me included. We got a huge crowd on opening day last season to witness what has to be one of the poorest speedway meetings ever. This was absolutely down to the appalling track and the promotions belief that there was a cheap way to rectify it's issues. I expect another bumper crowd this weekend, if the weather improves, so lets hope, for my sake, we aren't entering groundhog day with regards to the track.

 

My point was that some forum members thought they had the answers to Newports survival saying it needed to 'speculate to accumulate' and ridiculed any suggestion that the speculation might not ever get a return in terms of increased spectators. However it would now seem that the only man with the true facts and figures might have had more business sense than they gave him credit for. It is very easy to spend large sums of somebody else's money.

[wandersome]

My point was that some forum members thought they had the answers to Newports survival saying it needed to 'speculate to accumulate' and ridiculed any suggestion that the speculation might not ever get a return in terms of increased spectators. However it would now seem that the only man with the true facts and figures might have had more business sense than they gave him credit for. It is very easy to spend large sums of somebody else's money.

 

don't disagree with anything you say with regards to Newport though i'm not really getting what releveance any of that is to Leicester. I think Leicester are still in the process of trying to keep their spectators whereas Newport were trying to get theirs back.

 

The track for the opening three meetings was abysmal. It was arter those meetings that Gareth disappeared and Glyn was reinstated. Could Gareth have been the major problem then. Dh told me himself that he was not happy with the track preparation for the first three meetings.

 

My feelings were that Gareth made an awful track trully abysmal and Glyn just got it back to being awful. No mean feat on Glyns part though.

 

Mick.

Edited March 11, 2013 by volty

[wandersome]

Maybe of interest to some who havent seen the changes first hand here is a youtube video of the major work done to open up those racing lines on bends 1 & 2!.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=W7IrHt0jxs8

 

The vid has been named 'Leicester Speedway sorting out the track'

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=UOc1tpQIySc this is another youtube video showing the work done to both the entry and exit but cordoned off! probably gives a better idea of the alterations than the one above.

 

Mick.

Edited March 11, 2013 by volty

[jim the whipper]

Maybe of interest to some who havent seen the changes first hand here is a youtube video of the major work done to open up those racing lines on bends 1 & 2!.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=W7IrHt0jxs8

 

The vid has been named 'Leicester Speedway sorting out the track'

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=UOc1tpQIySc this is another youtube video showing the work done to both the entry and exit but cordoned off! probably gives a better idea of the alterations than the one above.

 

Mick.

do you know how official measurement of track length is taken ? it's something like measured around the kerb and measured mid track then a mean distance is the track length . 1 and 2 only look like they have moved about 1 foot over a short length , so a mean distance might be so negligable . no new track length no new track record

[Leicester Lion]

do you know how official measurement of track length is taken ? it's something like measured around the kerb and measured mid track then a mean distance is the track length . 1 and 2 only look like they have moved about 1 foot over a short length , so a mean distance might be so negligable . no new track length no new track record

It's measured one metre from the kerb, so there might be a small reduction.

[robert72]

Maybe of interest to some who havent seen the changes first hand here is a youtube video of the major work done to open up those racing lines on bends 1 & 2!.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=W7IrHt0jxs8

 

The vid has been named 'Leicester Speedway sorting out the track'

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=UOc1tpQIySc this is another youtube video showing the work done to both the entry and exit but cordoned off! probably gives a better idea of the alterations than the one above.

 

Mick.

 

about 2ft taken in,

[ukrossifan]

 

 

what a silly post because it wasnt last friday,you got that wrong but also if you know DH then you would know its a waste of time making a comment because he only listens to his own advise and only does things his way.

or is your answer code for "I'm (Robert72) a keyboard bandit who hasn't got the nerve to put my head above the parapet and turn up and ask a question and I'll use every excuse in the book not to do so" ? 😜

[robert72]

or is your answer code for "I'm (Robert72) a keyboard bandit who hasn't got the nerve to put my head above the parapet and turn up and ask a question and I'll use every excuse in the book not to do so" ?

 

Please remind me what question i need to ask and what good the question would do for leicester speeday ?

 

This post has really made me laugh, you should be on stage,look out lee nelson

[ukrossifan]

 

 

Please remind me what question i need to ask and what good the question would do for leicester speeday ?

 

This post has really made me laugh, you should be on stage,look out lee nelson

seeing as you question and criticise almost every single thing the promotion does I would have thought you had plenty of questions to ask about , The Track? The Stadium? The development of the surrounding land? To name just 3 of the things you have criticised the promotion about in the last month or so.

So why would you not take the opportunity of putting your specific concerns to the promotion and obtaining a direct personal answer???

Edited March 11, 2013 by hurricanes

[robert72]

seeing as you question and criticise almost every single thing the promotion does I would have thought you had plenty of questions to ask about , The Track? The Stadium? The development of the surrounding land? To name just 3 of the things you have criticised the promotion about in the last month or so.

So why would you not take the opportunity of putting your specific concerns to the promotion and obtaining a direct personal answer???

 

You are wrong to assume that i have NOT spoken about this already to DH as have others but what has been done ? please explain

 

I would also like to know why next friday would make any difference ? please explain again

 

Yes the track is a joke, outside the stadium is a dumping ground and an eyesore,but i have Not mentioned about the lack of devolpment or the stadium itself,you have me confused with someone else.

[ukrossifan]

 

 

You are wrong to assume that i have NOT spoken about this already to DH as have others but what has been done ? please explain

 

I would also like to know why next friday would make any difference ? please explain again

 

Yes the track is a joke, outside the stadium is a dumping ground and an eyesore,but i have Not mentioned about the lack of devolpment or the stadium itself,you have me confused with someone else.

well the fact that you think outside the stadium is a dumping ground and a joke therefore raises a question about the lack of development obviously !!

And although you don't like it, changes have been made to the track after people complained, after people said for ages that the track wouldn't be changed

Again you are making excuse after excuse not to go and ask questions in public.

You may have asked in the past but time moves on so why not ask again ? Or ask why the Track wasn't done to your wishes ??

Next Friday gives the opportunity to put your point across so why not take it?

You can never guarantee that what you want will happen but there is more chance if you raise your questions in person rather than just repeating your points on this Forum!

Edited March 11, 2013 by hurricanes

[robert72]

well the fact that you think outside the stadium is a dumping ground and a joke therefore raises a question about the lack of development obviously !!

And although you don't like it, changes have been made to the track after people complained, after people said for ages that the track wouldn't be changed

Again you are making excuse after excuse not to go and ask questions in public.

You may have asked in the past but time moves on so why not ask again ? Or ask why the Track wasn't done to your wishes ??

Next Friday gives the opportunity to put your point across so why not take it?

You can never guarantee that what you want will happen but there is more chance if you raise your questions in person rather than just repeating your points on this Forum!

 

That is laughable,alot of people think the same as me, it looks a mess outside the stadium, do you Not agree ?

 

Do you honestly think the track has been changed for the better,also do you honestly think going in 2 or 3 feet will make a difference ? if so please explain how it will make a difference as i am sure many would love to hear it, I cant wait to hear your expert views on it.

 

Track done to my wishes or that of hundreds of fans who also want a track fit for racing?

 

I dont see a point of wasting my evening because if you dont know by now its DH track and he does what he wants to do and not what experts or that of fans would like to see to make it better.

 

Also friday there is a good meeting at brandon that is a far better option

[ukrossifan]

 

 

That is laughable,alot of people think the same as me, it looks a mess outside the stadium, do you Not agree ?

 

Do you honestly think the track has been changed for the better,also do you honestly think going in 2 or 3 feet will make a difference ? if so please explain how it will make a difference as i am sure many would love to hear it, I cant wait to hear your expert views on it.

 

Track done to my wishes or that of hundreds of fans who also want a track fit for racing?

 

I dont see a point of wasting my evening because if you dont know by now its DH track and he does what he wants to do and not what experts or that of fans would like to see to make it better.

 

Also friday there is a good meeting at brandon that is a far better option

on the Track, I'm waiting to see a few meetings with 4 riders actually racing on the track together before I form an opinion, as I don't see how anyone can form an educated opinion yet without that evidence!

On the land, I have taken the opportunity to ask what's in the pipeline and to understand whats happening rather than just stating the bleeding obvious about the look of the land and because I have done that I know the efforts that are being made in these difficult economic times!

All I'm saying is that if I had opinions as strong as yours I would take the opportunity to put my points of concern to the Promotion, rather than spend month after month repeating the same points on here.

I take it that you are definitely attending the Brandonapolis then? Or is that just another convenient excuse not to go to the Q&A? 😄

Edited March 12, 2013 by hurricanes

[robert72]

You hav'nt explained how taking 2 or 3 feet in Will make a difference ?

 

I think you are one of these people who would believe anything DH says and does but dont see the real picture

 

Yes i am off to watch brandonapolis

[wandersome]

And although you don't like it, changes have been made to the track after people complained, after people said for ages that the track wouldn't be changed

on the Track, I'm waiting to see a few meetings with 4 riders actually racing on the track together before I form an opinion, as I don't see how anyone can form an educated opinion yet without that evidence!

 

This will be my last post on the track changes until we actually get an outcome on saturday. IMO, if these track changes actually do work then it can only be the work of pure fluke by rank amateurs. You know, It will be the biggest shock in speedway since Jerzy Sczakiel if all works out. The promotion have absolutely ignored all informed advice from pretty much every expert and non expert alike. I can't believe anyone would give advice that those changes were all that were required and if so, who?. I'm backing this up by saying I've looked at every photo of the work in progress and i can't for the life of me see anyone who would come even close to fitting that bill. Instead, At best the changes appear to have been made using the the considered hunch of a Architect and a Lorry Driver. At worst it could be said that it looks like they've done the least possible work to be able to say they've done good on the written promises made in the programme and elsewhere last year that track changes would be made.

 

And yet you and others are defending this to the hilt, you all appear to be making no effort to ask yourself questions. It's all about giving the promotion another chance. the line is 'Well, they've made the changes we've all asked for haven't they so lets see what happens'. You should be asking have they made those changes? Have a look at the youtube videos i posted. I think it's the likes of you who should be down there asking the the question about the track changes.

 

I wont be there at the Q & A. I asked for assurances before the start of last year that the muted track changes would be made and after getting them in writing from the promotion that they had already been made i paid out an amount in excess of four figures for season tickets etc. This year those assurances were made to everyone in the programme and elsewhere and changes have clearly been made this time so why do i feel like i've been had with my pants down again.

 

Mick.

Edited March 12, 2013 by volty

[Glennylion]

I know nothing of track design and what makes a good track but was surprised when I saw the videos Volty put up and wonder just what change that will actual make. Lets wait and see though.

[robert72]

This will be my last post on the track changes until we actually get an outcome on saturday. IMO, if these track changes actually do work then it can only be the work of pure fluke by rank amateurs. You know, It will be the biggest shock in speedway since Jerzy Sczakiel if all works out. The promotion have absolutely ignored all informed advice from pretty much every expert and non expert alike. I can't believe anyone would give advice that those changes were all that were required and if so, who?. I'm backing this up by saying I've looked at every photo of the work in progress and i can't for the life of me see anyone who would come even close to fitting that bill. Instead, At best the changes appear to have been made using the the considered hunch of a Architect and a Lorry Driver. At worst it could be said that it looks like they've done the least possible work to be able to say they've done good on the written promises made in the programme and elsewhere last year that track changes would be made.

 

And yet you and others are defending this to the hilt, you all appear to be making no effort to ask yourself questions. It's all about giving the promotion another chance. the line is 'Well, they've made the changes we've all asked for haven't they so lets see what happens'. You should be asking have they made those changes? Have a look at the youtube videos i posted. I think it's the likes of you who should be down there asking the the question about the track changes.

 

I wont be there at the Q & A. I asked for assurances before the start of last year that the muted track changes would be made and after getting them in writing from the promotion that they had already been made i paid out an amount in excess of four figures for season tickets etc. This year those assurances were made to everyone in the programme and elsewhere and changes have clearly been made this time so why do i feel like i've been had with my pants down again.

 

Mick.

Spot on mick, Love to hear what hurricane,mrcfs,liontamer,neb,long eye all think of your post and hope they will explain what the small barely unnoticable changes will make to the racing.

 

Great post mick

 

I know nothing of track design and what makes a good track but was surprised when I saw the videos Volty put up and wonder just what change that will actual make. Lets wait and see though.

 

DH has tried to fool fans that he has done track changes for the better,when in fact he has just trimmed the kerbs to make it look like he has done track changes as fans wanted, it doesnt take an expert to see what he has done with free help to make no difference to racing other than say the track has been changed.

[ukrossifan]

Spot on mick, Love to hear what hurricane,mrcfs,liontamer,neb,long eye all think of your post and hope they will explain what the small barely unnoticable changes will make to the racing.

 

Great post mick

 

 

 

DH has tried to fool fans that he has done track changes for the better,when in fact he has just trimmed the kerbs to make it look like he has done track changes as fans wanted, it doesnt take an expert to see what he has done with free help to make no difference to racing other than say the track has been changed.

I (like everyone else) don't know yet what the exact effect of the changes will be and nor does anyone else as no races have taken place yet. HOWEVER, what I DO know, having taken the opportunity to walk round the track on one of the open days is that the entry and exits to all the bends have opened up as HAS GOT to happen if they've been taken in even by about 4 feet on every entry and exit and its not a sudden 4 feet off, it's a gradual opening up from 20/30 yards before the old position. It definitely now gives AT LEAST 2 entry and exits lines on EVERY bend therefore giving opportunities, if the riders want to take them, for different ways of riding each bend.

If the riders take these lines then it HAS to give the opportunity for better racing.

I'm not saying it will be the perfect race track or more could not have been done at much greater cost, BUT opening up the entry and exit lines and giving more room and options has got to improve it, for the riders who use all the available lines.

Unless you , expert Robert, can explain the your logic of more room and space meaning no more opportunity.

If you widen a doorway by a few inches, bigger or more people can get thru it if they want to. if you make a lift a bit bigger, more people can get in it if they want to, so same logic applies.

It's not a case of DH this or that, it's simply logic!