robert72 Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Track changes complete 1 metre in entering & exiting all 4 bends. That is all Complete joke because the problems were that you have to turn the bike too hard to get round the corner I feel sorry for volty and those who have bought season tickets if this is the case. Well the Lions riders last year didn't want it changing did they, so that scuppers that argument . Lol Did they Not, are you really sure the lions 1-7 all agreed or was it a management decision that made that statement, Tell me Why was lasse and the others on the track after nearly every race trying to get another line if they were happy the way the track was then. You and several others will believe what you read in the programme others will believe what they see with there own eyes and what they hear with there own ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandersome Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I believe the riders were asked not to use the new areas on that practice day to allow the track to settle and pics I saw on Facebook showed discs on the track coming out of bend 2 on the old kerb line Most people's view I've read was that the problem was not enough room for 2 different lines into the corner at the same time, which the changes are designed to help by slightly reducing straights and widening entry and exits. There are a number of tracks with tighter turning to get round the corners ie:- Lakeside, Plymouth and they still give decent racing You are missing my point though. I know the riders weren't using the new bit of track but in my opinion, from what i saw, when they are using it they will entering the corner on the same angle of attack as they always have done, they'll just be a foot or two further across. Irrespective of the track being a foot or two wider the riders following will either have to scrub their speed and follow the leader as they always have done in the hope the guy in front makes a mistake or else attempt beat the law of physics and try and go full speed around the outside of said rider on a line up until now just doesn't physically exist, but more to the point doesn't physically exist by quite a long way. The difference between Leicester, Lakeside and Plymouth is that when you enter the corner at lakeside and Plymouth you are not scrubbing of so much speed because you are not go that fast in the first place. The rider following at leicester has scrubbed off so much speed in comparison to how fast he is going that it's impossible to then get enough speed up to do what you want.. i.e overtake someone. Mick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrossifan Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I feel sorry for volty and those who have bought season tickets if this is the case. Did they Not, are you really sure the lions 1-7 all agreed or was it a management decision that made that statement, Tell me Why was lasse and the others on the track after nearly every race trying to get another line if they were happy the way the track was then. You and several others will believe what you read in the programme others will believe what they see with there own eyes and what they hear with there own ears. wrong assumption yet again, perhaps I believe it as one of the riders confirmed it to me!And as for Lasse he certainly appeared to love it once the Scunny dirt was added, as indicated by his scoring and overtaking . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrossifan Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 You are missing my point though. I know the riders weren't using the new bit of track but in my opinion, from what i saw, when they are using it they will entering the corner on the same angle of attack as they always have done, they'll just be a foot or two further across. Irrespective of the track being a foot or two wider the riders following will either have to scrub their speed and follow the leader as they always have done in the hope the guy in front makes a mistake or else attempt beat the law of physics and try and go full speed around the outside of said rider on a line up until now just doesn't physically exist, but more to the point doesn't physically exist by quite a long way. The difference between Leicester, Lakeside and Plymouth is that when you enter the corner at lakeside and Plymouth you are not scrubbing of so much speed because you are not go that fast in the first place. The rider following at leicester has scrubbed off so much speed in comparison to how fast he is going that it's impossible to then get enough speed up to do what you want.. i.e overtake someone. Mick. certain riders have always been able to ride a different line (wide screwed on) to most, around the BP Bends successfully , Hall, Vissing, Gjedde and hopefully the wider entries and exits will allow and encourage other to try the available different lines too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandersome Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 certain riders have always been able to ride a different line (wide screwed on) to most, around the BP Bends successfully , Hall, Vissing, Gjedde and hopefully the wider entries and exits will allow and encourage other to try the available different lines too I don't recall any of those riders doing anything like that. I must have been looking the other way when it happened. They might have squeezed their way past a reserve or two going too slow into bend 3 or 4 but i can't recall anything else. In two seasons I actually recall one overtake by 'winding it on' and overtaking on the 1/2 bend. that's it, end of. I'm going to spend the rest of the day trying think who that was now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) wrong assumption yet again, perhaps I believe it as one of the riders confirmed it to me! And as for Lasse he certainly appeared to love it once the Scunny dirt was added, as indicated by his scoring and overtaking . ONLY One rider, what about the other 6 riders ? and the 1500+ fans who walked away because of poor racing? certain riders have always been able to ride a different line (wide screwed on) to most, around the BP Bends successfully , Hall, Vissing, Gjedde and hopefully the wider entries and exits will allow and encourage other to try the available different lines too Are you serious have you ever rode a speedway bike ? sounds unlikely with your views Track changes complete 1 metre in entering & exiting all 4 bends. That is all Complete joke because the problems were that you have to turn the bike too hard to get round the corner If this is the case then lecester speedways future is really at risk Edited February 25, 2013 by robert72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 So how do you work out that what they have done will make it better and give it more racing lines? have you ever been on a bike,because by what people have said about the very minor changes that it will make little difference because it needed major work doing back in october to correct a DH big cycle speedway track. Please take time to understand posts before replying with a rant. I said hopefully the changes will improve the amount of racing lines, time will tell. And yes I have ridden a speedway bike many times. Have you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 You and several others will believe what you read in the programme others will believe what they see with there own eyes and what they hear with there own ears. And others will see what they want to see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Lion Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 certain riders have always been able to ride a different line (wide screwed on) to most, around the BP Bends successfully , Hall, Vissing, Gjedde and hopefully the wider entries and exits will allow and encourage other to try the available different lines too Vissing and Gjedde won nearly all, if not all, their rides at BP from the gate. Hall did find a pass or two on the outside. However, it only goes to show how few passes there have been at BP if we're having to look for specific examples and can only find a couple. You are missing my point though. I know the riders weren't using the new bit of track but in my opinion, from what i saw, when they are using it they will entering the corner on the same angle of attack as they always have done, they'll just be a foot or two further across. Irrespective of the track being a foot or two wider the riders following will either have to scrub their speed and follow the leader as they always have done in the hope the guy in front makes a mistake or else attempt beat the law of physics and try and go full speed around the outside of said rider on a line up until now just doesn't physically exist, but more to the point doesn't physically exist by quite a long way. Similar to the point I made earlier. Shaving a metre off the straight before and after each corner doesn't really shorten the straights if the apex to each corner is in the same place and the riders take the same line as before anyway. The slightly wider entry to the corner is presumably to try to encourage riders to attempt reckless dives up the inside which will only result in collisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Vissing and Gjedde won nearly all, if not all, their rides at BP from the gate. Hall did find a pass or two on the outside. However, it only goes to show how few passes there have been at BP if we're having to look for specific examples and can only find a couple. Similar to the point I made earlier. Shaving a metre off the straight before and after each corner doesn't really shorten the straights if the apex to each corner is in the same place and the riders take the same line as before anyway. The slightly wider entry to the corner is presumably to try to encourage riders to attempt reckless dives up the inside which will only result in collisions. Not true. Widening tracks at the exit point of corners gives more space for riders to pass or ride alongside each other. Both Berwick and Workington opened up their corner exits in recent years to stop collisions and give another line out, and it greatly improved the racing at both places. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Lion Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Not true. Widening tracks at the exit point of corners gives more space for riders to pass or ride alongside each other. Both Berwick and Workington opened up their corner exits in recent years to stop collisions and give another line out, and it greatly improved the racing at both places. I only mentioned the entry to the corner, not the exit from it. I don't doubt what you say about Workington and Berwick, but at BP the riders are, and I suggest will still be, playing follow the leader into the corner, with no chance of building up any extra speed to make up ground to pass or pull alongside an opponent on the exit. I do hope to be proved wrong, I just have grave doubts. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Not true. Widening tracks at the exit point of corners gives more space for riders to pass or ride alongside each other. Both Berwick and Workington opened up their corner exits in recent years to stop collisions and give another line out, and it greatly improved the racing at both places. [ Only if you have it right going into the corner, will opening the exit work, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I don't recall any of those riders doing anything like that. I must have been looking the other way when it happened. They might have squeezed their way past a reserve or two going too slow into bend 3 or 4 but i can't recall anything else. In two seasons I actually recall one overtake by 'winding it on' and overtaking on the 1/2 bend. that's it, end of. I'm going to spend the rest of the day trying think who that was now Crikey it can't be that bad surely! Sometimes even a small alteration can make a difference. I remember reading once from someone at Oxford, that a relatively minor track alteration made a big difference to the racing so maybe best to just wait until the racing starts and give it a look before slashing your wrists 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Crikey it can't be that bad surely! Sometimes even a small alteration can make a difference. I remember reading once from someone at Oxford, that a relatively minor track alteration made a big difference to the racing so maybe best to just wait until the racing starts and give it a look before slashing your wrists Oxford had a good shape but the problem with BP is its more like an over sized cycle speedway track that doesnt work, hate to say it and i will get abuse but the work should of been done the end of october and tried and tested it over the winter months to check it was right,not a couple weeks before the first meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Oxford had a good shape but the problem with BP is its more like an over sized cycle speedway track that doesnt work, hate to say it and i will get abuse but the work should of been done the end of october and tried and tested it over the winter months to check it was right,not a couple weeks before the first meeting. Well I'm really in no position to judge as I've only ever seen the one meeting and that was the Fours in 2011. But I have to be honest on that day I was quite impressed and saw some decent racing. I can remember Tressarieu making a good pass on Niemenen and I also remember Risager of all people, having a great scrap with a couple of riders. All three passing and repassing each other which brought great cheers from the crowd. But as I say that was only one meeting maybe I got lucky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedflash Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) The track has been made wider going into turn 3 buy about 1.5 meters and the same coming out. This will let me run more dirt on the out side. It has shortened the straights by about 20 meters. I wont make any comments so please dont ask. Edited February 25, 2013 by speedflash 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson2 Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Let's wait and see till the 16th when the bees come and have a go at us then we will see if the changes have helped any. And to see what the riders think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrossifan Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 ONLY One rider, what about the other 6 riders ? and the 1500+ fans who walked away because of poor racing? Are you serious have you ever rode a speedway bike ? sounds unlikely with your views If this is the case then lecester speedways future is really at risk And you Robert72, checked with all 7 riders I presume, or have I in fact checked with one more rider than you?.... And you are no doubt a former World Champion Rider and League Title winning Promoter of the best supported track that provides the best ever racing in speedway history, judging by your inability to ever accept that anyone else can ever match your expertise on every aspect of the sport? So I bow down, oh fountain of all knowledge, as I am not worthy and my speedway experience is only a mere pin prick on the speedway knowledge map in comparison. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 I don't know if the changes will make any difference and to be honest, I don't think anyone does. At least not until there has been a few meetings. I think it probably wise to reseve jugment until that has happened. All I will say is that I hope they have got it right this time. I personally can't stand another season of follow the leader every week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 The track has been made wider going into turn 3 buy about 1.5 meters and the same coming out. This will let me run more dirt on the out side. It has shortened the straights by about 20 meters. I wont make any comments so please dont ask. Glyn hasnt said he is happy with the changes or feels it will make a massive difference plus he ended with i wont make any comments, So i guess he is not fully happy then and after what happpened before i understand why he wont make any further comments. I dont see moving 4 or 5 feet in would make a big difference but time will tell, its make or break for leicester speedway as it seems even most of the hardcore fans wont except a 3rd year of follow the leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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