montie Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 With regards to Adam Ellis, his family have been friends with Phil Morris for many years and as many of you will know Adam and his family are based in France. Adam's focus was firmly on grasstrack/longtrack, but Phil encouraged him he should give speedway a crack and invited him over to Birmingham for his farewell meeting. Adam's progression on a speedway since that night in September 2011 has been stunning, so instead of having a pop about getting paid to travel round the country etc, how about giving the guy some credit for channelling a superb talent into British Speedway. If you speak to the up and coming Brits they will tell you Phil interest is to develop their abilities on a bike, not using his role to sign talent for the team he is involved with. Think there may be a little envy from some within the sport that Phil has the respect of these lads! Please be so kind as to read my post again,im not having a pop i simply ask the question of being incharge of he young ones and a team manager in the EL is a"conflict of interest", I have no idea of the work they do or dont do,nor do i care,i get to see riders develop before most being a fan of Scunny,i just asked if my thoughts could be right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 You can see where accusations of 'conflict of interests' can be made though.Really in an ideal world these sort of youth development jobs should be done by independant people,like Erik Gundersen in Denmark.....don't think he has any link to any Danish club? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Rides Again Posted October 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Blimey ! All I wanted to know was who Adam might turn out for in thr PL next year. I didn't mean to start an argument about the right and wrongs of the assett system in British Speedway................. but thinking about it................ no, that can wait for another thread. Seems no-one knows where he'll end up, other than for the Islanders in the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Well if you want to see him he's guesting for Ipswich at Somerset on Friday. Phil Morris has been a family friend for nearly 20 years and paid money out of his own pocket to have adam ride at his meeting last year. Neil Vatcher has advised adam independently and actually told him to hold back on signing for any clubs until he was sure of what he wanted. It's funny that other promoters only expressed an interest after Adams decision was made His family had already spent thousands going backwards and forwards doing second halves yet no other clubs were willing to even visit the tracks he was riding at to check him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motherread Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 I can remember Peter Oakes going to Iwade training track and to youth grasstrack meetings to 'eye up' the talent. Any promoter can do the same , if they can be bothered. Instead of critisicing Neil Vatcher we should be embracing the fact that we have a new, exciting and obvious talent on a speedway bike and, what's more, he's English !! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) I can remember Peter Oakes going to Iwade training track and to youth grasstrack meetings to 'eye up' the talent. Any promoter can do the same , if they can be bothered. Instead of critisicing Neil Vatcher we should be embracing the fact that we have a new, exciting and obvious talent on a speedway bike and, what's more, he's English !! Correct. I had Kenny Smith regularly at Northside and Sheffield in 2002/3 to look out for young decent riders, hence the reason why we we had so many Cumbrian's ride for our Gems side. If you don't look, you don't see. Edited October 18, 2012 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Correct. I had Kenny Smith regularly at Northside and Sheffield in 2002/3 to look out for young decent riders, hence the reason why we we had so many Cumbrian's ride for our Gems side. If you don't look, you don't see. but was Ken being paid to do this by the powers that be,that was my point at the start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 It was Adam's father who originally contacted Phil Morris to be included in the British youth championship. Each round involved a nigh on 3,000 km round trip and a ferry. He merits the attention he's getting Its down to riders as well as clubs to make things happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 but was Ken being paid to do this by the powers that be,that was my point at the start! No, he was doing cos he loved speedway. As you would already know.. My answer was in response to post #25 from Motherread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 I can remember Peter Oakes going to Iwade training track and to youth grasstrack meetings to 'eye up' the talent. Any promoter can do the same , if they can be bothered. Instead of critisicing Neil Vatcher we should be embracing the fact that we have a new, exciting and obvious talent on a speedway bike and, what's more, he's English !! I would have preferred it if you had said he was BRITISH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Hmmmmm born in south west France to two parents originally from dagenham. English I think ? Hmmmmm born in south west France to two parents originally from dagenham. English I think ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Hmmmmm born in south west France to two parents originally from dagenham. English I think ? Or French Or British It is the casuaL use of the word 'English' when people actually mean 'British' which is making Alex Salmond's ambition so much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 If I was in charge at Plymouth I'd be interested. If I was in charge at Lakeside I'd be interested in him going there, too given the difference in size between Smallbrook & SBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witches123 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Well he's guesting for the Witches tonight, so maybe a witch next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Or French Or British It is the casuaL use of the word 'English' when people actually mean 'British' which is making Alex Salmond's ambition so much easier. If his parents came from England then i don't see a problem.In fact this use of English/England is quite endemic abroad.Lost count of the times i have seen the british speedway final talked about as the English Final or Team GB as England.You look at old news reel film from the second world war and Hitler and his cronies were talking about defeating England not Britain........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 If his parents came from England then i don't see a problem.In fact this use of English/England is quite endemic abroad.Lost count of the times i have seen the british speedway final talked about as the English Final or Team GB as England.You look at old news reel film from the second world war and Hitler and his cronies were talking about defeating England not Britain........ Just as it SHOULD be. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Impressive score from him tonight it seems. Can somebody who was there outline how he performed- was he good value for his points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PremierRebel Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) Impressive score from him tonight it seems. Can somebody who was there outline how he performed- was he good value for his points? He was brilliant! Impressed me a lot! He had a few bike problems..But he was head and shoulders above Perry tonight. Worth a chance next year! Edit: He was miles better than James Wright as well. Edited October 19, 2012 by PremierRebel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 He was brilliant! Impressed me a lot! He had a few bike problems..But he was head and shoulders above Perry tonight. Worth a chance next year! Edit: He was miles better than James Wright as well. He was very good but I wouldn't say he was brilliant, He is very fast from the gate and around the first two bends then he seems to tail off a bit, but with a little more experience he could be another Darcy Ward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Might be wrong here but I don't think he is in Somersets plans as yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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