dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Well he is back to being Swedish now so can we really have a Swedish rider as a wild card in Finland? Well if it is the Nordic GP and not a Finnish one........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 WHY odd? They wouldn't have three GPs in Sweden. Stockholm has become available and has a roof and Gothenburg has a contract for 2013. What's so hard to understand? Perhaps your impression about Warsaw was wrong... DIDN'T know that. Know that he was born in Sweden but presumed he was still racing on a Finnish licence. You live and learn. He was but have decided to Switch back to Swedish license for next season due to the new extended Swedish rider quota rules for Elitserien next season. see this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 They wouldn't have three GPs in Sweden. No odder than having three GPs in Poland. Perhaps your impression about Warsaw was wrong... Well okay.. who'll be promoting the Warsaw GP then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) MAYBE they could but what's the hurry given that Gothenburg still has a year to run. GP in Warsaw will involve PZM. DON'T get ahead of yourselves. This is not a done deal as I understand. But of course there is a vacancy for a Nordic GP now that Vojens have left the rota. But if you had to choose a wild card now surely the World longtrack champion would have a good shout. Do you mean Kylmä or do you mean the then LT World Champion? Kylmä has a Finnish passport too, so he's Finnish (if I'm asked) and most likely will continue to represent SML in international meetings, hopefully. Todays paper says it's planned for late August and would occupy Ratina for a month, since there's no roof so the track work needs a month. Ratina is definately the place to have the GP in Finland. Tampere is a nice enough (my) city with plenty to do and see for a long weekend. No way speedway could be held at the Olympic stadium in Helsinki. It's the home of Finnish football and even though Finnish footie is "not so good", they are god's if they are asked and no one should question their position. And on top of that the stadion is a national relic not to be messed with. EDIT: Forgot to write the first time that Kylmä will be in the GP proper by 2014. Edited October 11, 2012 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 No odder than having three GPs in Poland. Well okay.. who'll be promoting the Warsaw GP then? WAIT and see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 WAIT and see So there isn't one yet...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 HUMPHREY ... you are normally brighter than this. Have already said that there won't be a Warsaw GP in 2013 but very much on the cards for 2014. Coincidentally, England's soccer team play in Warsaw next Tuesday and officially open the Friends Arena in Stockholm in November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 I would love for the GP to expand anywhere but have some reservations about what sort of spectacle Finland could provide that would enhance the series. I fear a similar debacle to the Hamar, Norway GP's. Don't get me wrong i avidly look for threads on here concerning speedway internationally and the first thing i seek is the attendance levels and media coverage in the hope that the sport thrives. If i remember fairly correctly i get the impression that 'tragically' crowd levels in FInland have fallen to consisting of the family and friends of riders involved in a meeting! Is the sport enjoying a resurgence in FInland that i'm unaware of (pleasssse someone tell me so)? Here's a link to the article: http://translate.goo...ehti.fi/Etusivu ??? Can't see any mention of speedway, it's just the home/news page of the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 I would love for the GP to expand anywhere but have some reservations about what sort of spectacle Finland could provide that would enhance the series. I fear a similar debacle to the Hamar, Norway GP's. Don't get me wrong i avidly look for threads on here concerning speedway internationally and the first thing i seek is the attendance levels and media coverage in the hope that the sport thrives. If i remember fairly correctly i get the impression that 'tragically' crowd levels in FInland have fallen to consisting of the family and friends of riders involved in a meeting! Is the sport enjoying a resurgence in FInland that i'm unaware of (pleasssse someone tell me so)? ??? Can't see any mention of speedway, it's just the home/news page of the site. try this then: http://tinyurl.com/9yvyd4q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawel115 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I dont know why they bother with Warsaw never was and never will be a speedway city they tried to have a team there its just not a speedway city waste of time have it in any other polish city with proper speedway track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Is the sport enjoying a resurgence in FInland that i'm unaware of (pleasssse someone tell me so)? A Finnish GP has been postulated for just about as long as the SGP has been running, so one can only assume the asking price has come down given that it's happening.now. I suppose a GP can potentially give the sport a bit of a push in the smaller nations, although it seems to vary from country-to-country. I dont know why they bother with Warsaw never was and never will be a speedway city they tried to have a team there its just not a speedway city waste of time have it in any other polish city with proper speedway track I suppose it could argued that Cardiff and Copenhagen are also not speedway cities, but the stadium is sufficient attraction. However, it didn't work for Gelsenkirchen, and the Gothenburg GP (whilst held in what was once a speedway city) seems to be dying a death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin man 76 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 If this is true, I for one, will be absolutely delighted! It'll be nice and easy to get a Ryanair flight from Edinburgh to Tampere; take the service bus from the airport to the railway station, before walking a shot distance to the stadium. I can't wait! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 WHY do you (Humphrey) assume that the asking price, which neither you nor I have any information on, has come down? It could just as easily be that those involved, including the local authorities in Tampere like those in many other towns or cities, see a value in having the SGP visit their location. There is currently no shortage of tracks, clubs, call them what you will, vying for the SGP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) If this is true, I for one, will be absolutely delighted! It'll be nice and easy to get a Ryanair flight from Edinburgh to Tampere; take the service bus from the airport to the railway station, before walking a shot distance to the stadium. I can't wait! For me it would travel by car. A quick drive from Eskilstuna to Stockholm, then the overnight ferry to Åbo and then a 2 hour drive to Tammerfors. Edited October 14, 2012 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 WHY do you (Humphrey) assume that the asking price, which neither you nor I have any information on, has come down? I'd find it surprising if someone directly involved in the SGP organisation didn't have some inclination about what the asking prices were. However, the Polish media are seemingly more questioning, and it's easy enough to find out what they're saying. Whilst one should certainly treat media speculation with a grain of salt, one can correlate this with publicly available figures to get some approximation. There is currently no shortage of tracks, clubs, call them what you will, vying for the SGP. That doesn't really mean too much in itself. If GP staging fees are tuppence ha'penny then there will undoubtedly be more interest than if the fees are several hundred thousand euros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 A Finnish GP has been postulated for just about as long as the SGP has been running, so one can only assume the asking price has come down given that it's happening.now. I suppose a GP can potentially give the sport a bit of a push in the smaller nations, although it seems to vary from country-to-country. I suppose it could argued that Cardiff and Copenhagen are also not speedway cities, but the stadium is sufficient attraction. However, it didn't work for Gelsenkirchen, and the Gothenburg GP (whilst held in what was once a speedway city) seems to be dying a death. Not quite sure what you mean when you say the Gelsenkirchen GP did not work. I went to that GP (the one that took place) and it was a great weekend ,a terrific stadium with a great atmosphere and a good crowd. The only thing wrong was the racing, which to put it nicely was not very good . But since then the man made tracks have improved greatly. I dont think that Ullevi has ever recovered from the meeting that had to be aborted becauce the track resembled a ploughed field and was impossible to race on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 WELL Humphrey, if you believe everything you read in the Polish media .... the arrangements between BSI/IMG and the staging tracks/clubs are private and rightly so but if you care to believe what they speculate then that is your business. I would, however, suggest that the more clubs/tracks/towns trying to get on the SGP calendar would ensure that the price stays higher rather than drops down. What I do know is that each case is dealt with on its merits. I would certainly concur with mickthemuppet's comment about Ullevi. And add that the weather is always a huge factor there, allied to it's recent history. Stockholm will be a tough sell but at least BSI/IMG will know that all their efforts to pull in a crowd will not be affected by the weather. Gothenburg as a city is fighting hard to retain some major sporting events now that Stockholm is the centre of attention but I would still be suprised if the SGP stayed there beyond 2013 and didn't return to Malilla where it has been very successful, especially for the club. But by then Ole Olsen's hopes and plans for Vojens may have come to fruition, the Ratina Stadium in Tampere may have come on board, Togliatti might have resolved their issues (mainly travel and accessibility) and so on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 WELL Humphrey, if you believe everything you read in the Polish media .... the arrangements between BSI/IMG and the staging tracks/clubs are private and rightly so but if you care to believe what they speculate then that is your business. I would, however, suggest that the more clubs/tracks/towns trying to get on the SGP calendar would ensure that the price stays higher rather than drops down. What I do know is that each case is dealt with on its merits. I would certainly concur with mickthemuppet's comment about Ullevi. And add that the weather is always a huge factor there, allied to it's recent history. Stockholm will be a tough sell but at least BSI/IMG will know that all their efforts to pull in a crowd will not be affected by the weather. Gothenburg as a city is fighting hard to retain some major sporting events now that Stockholm is the centre of attention but I would still be suprised if the SGP stayed there beyond 2013 and didn't return to Malilla where it has been very successful, especially for the club. But by then Ole Olsen's hopes and plans for Vojens may have come to fruition, the Ratina Stadium in Tampere may have come on board, Togliatti might have resolved their issues (mainly travel and accessibility) and so on... The bsi have a target but you can get them for a very good price at a lot of places as they have trouble finding a sponsor. 15k to 75k will get you a gp, just depends which one you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 The bsi have a target but you can get them for a very good price at a lot of places as they have trouble finding a sponsor. 15k to 75k will get you a gp, just depends which one you want. AEE you talking about as a sponsor or an organiser? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 AEE you talking about as a sponsor or an organiser? That is to sponsor a gp. series sponsor is 20k plus depending on what you want. bsi promote only a few gp like cardiff as there is no risk as its a money spinner. most are sold to the local organiser so no loss can be incurred by bsi. normally 100k plus and includes rooms and such for them but you know all this Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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