Long Eye Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 2 minute timer on before every race. This is the allowed time for riders to get to the tapes, do any gardening and get still before tapes up. Once the 2 mins is up its green light on and let the tapes fly. Any rider who isn't revved up will get left on the line, might not be popular to start with but it would only be the riders who are to blame and im certain they won't get caught out more than once. Works well in Sweden. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Matthews Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 This is my very first comment on this forum. In response to starting procedures, I too get fed up with restarts & remember only too well all the 'Mauger' rolling starts, however after watching some old footage showing movement at the tapes I really enjoyed the tactics. It appears that nowadays all riders MUST leave the gate at the same time & a rider , even though he does not move when the tapes go up is penalized, surely if you are clever enough to anticipate the tape release you should be allowed to continue ! I think that if there was another chalked line behind the start line, ie. a bike length, once in, riders should not be allowed to leave their gate position, this would obviate the 'gardening' & providing they do not touch the tapes, they can move back & forth a little as much as they dare. Â Sparky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 They ( the powers that be ) brought in the "no gardening" rule and " not getting off the bike " but either the referees were told of it or refused to consistently apply it that within a couple of months it was forgotten. There are many laws that apply in daily life but if they are not enforced they have no value. It seems that speedway officials, collectively, are disinterested introducing wasted time and making meetings run crisply. Far too much of all aspects of how a meeting is run is accepted under the " that is how we have always done it, so it must be the best way to do ". "It was alright like that when 12,000 came every week, so why change it now when we still get 1,200" . Speedway, same old same old attitudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 It makes you wonder why some people bother to go Speedway at all!! If every race was 60 seconds, no shenanigans at the tapes, no exclusions, no interval, no Sun break, no tactical changes, every race was a 3-3 then you could get there for 7.30 on the dot, not miss a race, and be out the place by 8.15!!! That would be a 60 second race, 60 seconds for a race victory lap, and 60 seconds for the next race riders to get to tapes!!! Even add another 15 minutes and you're in and out in an hour!!!!! Â Do we really want a meeting to be this sterile??? I don't!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 This is my very first comment on this forum. In response to starting procedures, I too get fed up with restarts & remember only too well all the 'Mauger' rolling starts, however after watching some old footage showing movement at the tapes I really enjoyed the tactics. It appears that nowadays all riders MUST leave the gate at the same time & a rider , even though he does not move when the tapes go up is penalized, surely if you are clever enough to anticipate the tape release you should be allowed to continue ! I think that if there was another chalked line behind the start line, ie. a bike length, once in, riders should not be allowed to leave their gate position, this would obviate the 'gardening' & providing they do not touch the tapes, they can move back & forth a little as much as they dare. Â Sparky Couldnt agree more pal !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 A referee who is a very good friend of mine once told me that if he saw a rider move before he had completely pressed the starting button he would bring it back if said rider seemed to have gained an unfair advantage. So if no prior movement was detected and a rider guessed correctly he would not bring it back. How many times has a speedway commentator called it unsatisfactory because a rider anticipated. So what if he did. If he did not move before the referee hit the start button he should be allowed to continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 I am back again to talk about riders messing about at the starts which as you will know from my previous posts is a major irritation to me. I was watching a Polish match recently and was informed by the commentator that no riders are allowed out on to the track until the pits marshall was satisfied that all riders were ready to go and he then asked the referee to hit the 2 minute warning button. Riders then had 2 minutes to proceed to the start and be ready to race before the 2 minutes had expired. Simple really. No excessive time wasting gardening and no waiting for another rider to line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Barrow Boy 2 said: I am back again to talk about riders messing about at the starts which as you will know from my previous posts is a major irritation to me. I was watching a Polish match recently and was informed by the commentator that no riders are allowed out on to the track until the pits marshall was satisfied that all riders were ready to go and he then asked the referee to hit the 2 minute warning button. Riders then had 2 minutes to proceed to the start and be ready to race before the 2 minutes had expired. Simple really. No excessive time wasting gardening and no waiting for another rider to line up. How is that different to the 2 minutes in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, Grachan said: How is that different to the 2 minutes in the UK? In the UK the referees are usually happy that all riders are proceeding to the tapes within the 2 minutes but they are then allowed as much time as they can get away with once they are at the start to dig around etc. In Poland they have to start the race as soon as the 2 minutes are up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Barrow Boy 2 said: In the UK the referees are usually happy that all riders are proceeding to the tapes within the 2 minutes but they are then allowed as much time as they can get away with once they are at the start to dig around etc. In Poland they have to start the race as soon as the 2 minutes are up. According to the rule book, any gate preparations after the 2 minutes expires is a starting offence and warrants an exclusion. For me this isn't really an issue in British speedway. There's more of an issue with the time it actually takes for the two minutes to be sounded, rather than what happens within it.  Edited August 22, 2018 by Grachan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmet Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Grachan said: According to the rule book, any gate preparations after the 2 minutes expires is a starting offence and warrants an exclusion. For me this isn't really an issue in British speedway. There's more of an issue with the time it actually takes for the two minutes to be sounded, rather than what happens within it.  Watched one of the videos on the SGB site a couple of days ago when the bulk of the video was 4 riders digging around ! - mostly off their machines, . . . .for far longer than the race itself. It needs controlling, i.e. limiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, britmet said: Watched one of the videos on the SGB site a couple of days ago when the bulk of the video was 4 riders digging around ! - mostly off their machines, . . . .for far longer than the race itself. It needs controlling, i.e. limiting. If it's within the 2 minute time allowance, then what's the problem? They should have started the video later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmet Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 The paying public on the terraces were obviously kept waiting even longer ! That's the problem ! ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 21 hours ago, Grachan said: According to the rule book, any gate preparations after the 2 minutes expires is a starting offence and warrants an exclusion. For me this isn't really an issue in British speedway. There's more of an issue with the time it actually takes for the two minutes to be sounded, rather than what happens within it. Â It might be the rule but it is very rarely applied. I agree the riders should be allowed to prepare for their start in any way they wish but it should be within the 2 minutes and not whatever they can get away with. Sometimes referees give them a green light flash to encourage them to hurry up but they still take no notice. It is not just the digging around that is the problem it is also riders who consistently delay the starts by refusing to line up until others have done so. There is incidentally a rule that calls for the starting marshalls to line them up in gates 1,2,3,4 order but this is ignored by such riders who insist on lining up last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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