Vince Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I would have a line several feet back from the start line, once the riders assemble there put them under starters orders, as soon as they have approached the tapes and are looking to be stationary, I would release the tapes. If any of them has committed an offence like tape touching, I would allow the race to finish and then exclude them after the race finishes. Anyone gardening or pretending to adjust their clutch would also be excluded after the race, NO EXCEPTIONS! Personally I would modify that so that once over the line they would have 30 seconds to prep their gate and once they are positioned by the start marshall any backward movement would result in an exclusion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted September 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Personally I would modify that so that once over the line they would have 30 seconds to prep their gate and once they are positioned by the start marshall any backward movement would result in an exclusion. So we are agreed then. Something must be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 So we are agreed then. Something must be done. Yes agreed, but as this is a "rules" thing is it down to the promoters or the referees to instigate...and do they (the refs) have such meetings to address isues liek this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irk Deflector Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Do it like the Grand National - jockeying for position and rolling starts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted September 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 If a rider moves but does not touch the tapes and is in the vision of another rider who reacts and touches the tapes. Should this be deemed to be a faulty start and not a disqualification? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 maybe once the start marshall get them upto the tapes, something can go behind the 4 riders (tape/bar etc), to stop them pulling back to try and get a roller! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 every track get a big 2 minute clock. any rider not stationery and ready to race at 0.00 to be excluded.. all I know is something has to be done as it is really is getting tedious... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Riders who touch the tapes should be made to start from 15 metres and should not be replaced by a reserve from the gate. On Saturday at Leicester, Coventry brought in a better rider who was allowed to start from the gate which was obviously an advantage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Anyone caught jumping the start should be locked in a hotel room with Keith Vaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Don't know if this has been suggested before , but why not put the tapes on a timer , once the ref puts the green light on there will be say 5 seconds until the tapes go up , anyone who charges the tapes and hits them gets thrown out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Don't know if this has been suggested before , but why not put the tapes on a timer , once the ref puts the green light on there will be say 5 seconds until the tapes go up , anyone who charges the tapes and hits them gets thrown out The time delay needs to vary from heat to heat, otherwise it would be too predictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 A computer chip could be used that would vary the timing between the minimum and maximum times. Gets rid of a person being predictable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 Interesting article in the Newcastle vs Edinburgh prog about a local supporter with an engineering background who has proposed replacing the starting gate & tapes with a laser beam arrangement for both the front and rear areas which might also eliminate movement before the start. Â In theory, it would appear to be a more reliable and effective system, and I would guess that it would not be too costly. Â Hope this idea gets to the prototype testing stage as it could improve this part of racing. Â Â 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) A system could be used similar to motor racing. Transponders used to monitor movement, do away with tapes & have an overhead/track canopy 20/25metres down from the start with red lights for ready & then green for go. All the riders are facing forward which eliminates the chance of riders on gates 1 & 4 moving slightly with the riders on 2 & 3 going & getting penalized Edited December 30, 2016 by IronScorpion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldywonkenoldi Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Why not convert starting tapes to the system used in BMX cycling, Metal grid, which drops on button, riders have to have wheel touching, grid drops no false starts, no tapes exclusion, no tapes replacement when broken. Finishing line 2 meters behind grid, can be used as zone to keep riders from turning back towards pits or having further delaying tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Why not convert starting tapes to the system used in BMX cycling, Metal grid, which drops on button, riders have to have wheel touching, grid drops no false starts, no tapes exclusion, no tapes replacement when broken. Finishing line 2 meters behind grid, can be used as zone to keep riders from turning back towards pits or having further delaying tactics. Yeah that'll be great when it's all bent and distorted after track preparation equipment and stockcars have been over it...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldywonkenoldi Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 Yeah that'll be great when it's all bent and distorted after track preparation equipment and stockcars have been over it......Of course track grading would have to be adjusted to not damage the system, and don't stock cars run on air filled tyres, so any problems can be overcome if promoters want to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Of course track grading would have to be adjusted to not damage the system, and don't stock cars run on air filled tyres, so any problems can be overcome if promoters want to try. You ever seen a stock car meeting? Plenty of cars finish with punctures. Why try and fix a problem that is only a problem to vociferous minority? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) If you want to reduce the need to garden or even ban it, then replace it with an effective alternative. a. have guys with a novel tool which consists of a long pole with a sort of blade on the end. When I was a lad we called them rakes. b. gather some simple race statistics indicating which are the best gates. Get the guys with the "rakes" to spend a bit more time on the bad gates. The best ideas are simple!. Edited November 17, 2016 by False dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 2 minute timer on before every race. This is the allowed time for riders to get to the tapes, do any gardening and get still before tapes up. Once the 2 mins is up its green light on and let the tapes fly. Any rider who isn't revved up will get left on the line, might not be popular to start with but it would only be the riders who are to blame and im certain they won't get caught out more than once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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