dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Foreign referees take some stick but they would at least have stepped up and made the call that needed to be made and excluded Holder. He lifted, ran wide and took Pedersen out. Nicki had made the jump and got in front of Holder quite legitimately, Holder should have backed off and conceded the corner if he didn't want to be . Another Mr Magoo!!Holder ran wide you say - very interesting view considering his front wheel was on the grass going into the corner! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Like it or not Chris Holder shouldve been excluded last night,the referee hid behind the first turn ruling which probably got him out of having to make a massive decision,had the accident happened on any other part of the track Holder wouldve gone,no doubt about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 You can clearly see Holder is in front when he hits Pedersen, after Pedersen has tried to put him on the centre green - yet another instance of him riding into other riders rather than racing the track. Correct decision; all four back - simple as. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Have to say that the ref got this decision spot on. Nicki clamped him down going into the bend - they touched almost forcing Chris onto the grass - he hit a wet bit as a result straightened up and the rest is history. Would have been harsh to exclude anyone. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) After watching replay after replay after replay some nuggets are still coming to the conclusion that Holder should have been excluded. Unbelievable!!!!!!!! 1, Pedersen wasn't in front into the first turn. 2, Contact was made right on the cusp of the first turn which caused Holder to lift. Can you others not see that??????? 3, If you did see that, it's all 4 back in any meeting is it not?????? Dear o'dear Some are quite clearly just up for an argument just because they can and don't have balls big enough to admit they've called it wrong. Edited October 7, 2012 by screamer 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I did not see the grand prix last night, but i was reading what has been put on this site, people saying holder should of been excluded, reading this and reading that all four back i thought it may of been a close decision............ well just seen utube clip............How the hell did the ref get that one wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji7 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Have to say that the ref got this decision spot on. Nicki clamped him down going into the bend - they touched almost forcing Chris onto the grass - he hit a wet bit as a result straightened up and the rest is history. Would have been harsh to exclude anyone. Blimey Steve O! Fair play to you! I expected you to side on the numpties that are too jaded and bitter to see what Pedersen actually did! Just a note to those saying Holder should have "shut off" if he had done that on the first turn he'd have lost all traction and wiped everyone out! Pedersen gave him absolutely no choice what so ever! Nice to see Holder finally get one over on Nicki after Cardiff last year! As for Pedersen and holders crew! No matter what Holders little brother said to Nicki for him to push a kid was bang out of order! If it had been my little brother that had got pushed I would have started on him! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 We see it in every meeting. A rider doing something that will hopefully gain then that extra bit. NP did no different that riders do every meeting. Holder was very lucky not to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I was reminded this morning by a good friend that thirty years ago, Bruce Penhall and Kenny Carter had an incident which virtually won and lost a world title, and that people are still arguing about that decision. No doubt last night's semi-final will be getting dragged up, debated and argued about in 2042. But what matters is that this week's Speedway Star will report that Chris Holder is World Champion, just as Bruce Penhall was in 1982. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) imo. nicki clamped holder , fair and legal move, but it did cause "FIRST BEND BUNCHING" riders went down , i dont believe intentionally, and quite rightly the ref put all four back, on his walk back nicki (who wasnt that quick on the night ) tried a few mind games with chris, again nothing wrong in that and all good for the cameras and chris took it well, until, his brothers got involved and flared the situation out of control, they should not be in pits unless mechanicing, let alone on track, the utmost respect should go to jason who took chris away and settled him. imo the ref let the title on track, some refs want the glory to theirselves, craig didnt and was right call imo Edited October 7, 2012 by brewer 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougieD Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Love it how some are calling us "numpties" & "nuggets" just because we are not in the "We Hate Nicki" gang, try opening your eyes Holder rode into Pedersen casing him to fall, why is irrelivant .... desperate move and got lucky .... take your blinkers off ... numpties 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Love it how some are calling us "numpties" & "nuggets" just because we are not in the "We Hate Nicki" gang, try opening your eyes Holder rode into Pedersen casing him to fall, why is irrelivant .... desperate move and got lucky .... take your blinkers off ... numpties I most certainly ain't in the 'We Hate Nicki' gang as I'm a Nicki Pedersen fan and have been since he rode for Kings Lynn. I'm just not blinded. How on earth you can come to the conclusion that Holder rode in to Nicki is amazing when Holder was off gate 1 and had the only option of riding the curb once Nicki came across. What exactly was Holder meant to do. Shutting off wasn't an option. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horneymikh Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Correct decision by the ref, as soon as it happened i said it would be all 4 back. If it had been any other 2 riders ivvolved from the GP, we wouldn't be having this debate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougieD Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I most certainly ain't in the 'We Hate Nicki' gang as I'm a Nicki Pedersen fan and have been since he rode for Kings Lynn. I'm just not blinded. How on earth you can come to the conclusion that Holder rode in to Nicki is amazing when Holder was off gate 1 and had the only option of riding the curb once Nicki came across. What exactly was Holder meant to do. Shutting off wasn't an option. Yes it was ... the throttle goes both ways, he knew if he had let Nicki lead him the title was gone. Lindback was gonna ride round them both coming off turn 2 .. Holder would have finished 3rd and not made the Final. No blinkers here, just sticking to the FACTS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) Yes it was ... the throttle goes both ways, he knew if he had let Nicki lead him the title was gone. Lindback was gonna ride round them both coming off turn 2 .. Holder would have finished 3rd and not made the Final. No blinkers here, just sticking to the FACTS Actually, the highlighted sections of your post are all OPINION. Happy to help. Edited October 7, 2012 by Nellie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Thank god for a quality ref like Akroyd. Any other ref would have called it wrong with the possibility of wrecking a gp series. When the incident occurred I called it all four back but was worried the ref might call it wrong. It was clear Pedersen rode Holder onto the grass causing Holder to straighten. All four back the only option and the correct one End of the day Pedersen was looking for it and the ref never fell for it. Good call from the ref who far from bottled it 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougieD Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Thank god for a quality ref like Akroyd. Any other ref would have called it wrong with the possibility of wrecking a gp series. When the incident occurred I called it all four back but was worried the ref might call it wrong. It was clear Pedersen rode Holder onto the grass causing Holder to straighten. All four back the only option and the correct one End of the day Pedersen was looking for it and the ref never fell for it. Good call from the ref who far from bottled it And we ALL know your the most biased poster in the history of the forum Stevie ... so your opinion does not count Actually, the highlighted sections of your post are all OPINION. Happy to help. We all saw how good Chris was earlier in the meeting, third for sure AGAIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Just goes to show that video technology isn't the answer to everything. Look at the level of disagreement on this thread. Ultimately it was a judgement call. In a domestic meeting I would have expected all4back, but in the GP where 1st bend incidents are more likely to lead to exclusions I was expecting Holder to go. I dislike Nikki Pedersen, but on this occasion he can consider himself unlucky. However the point of a GP is that the good and bad decisions tend to cancel each other out over the course of the series... and NP certainly had a few generous calls in earlier rounds. PS Congrats to Holder on becoming world champion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I saw it last night,again on replay,and I havent changed my opinion,that is that Holder was very lucky to be in the re-run,in any event I dont think it wouldve seen the World Championchip change hands as Pedersen wasnt quick enough all night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Some say that the referee didn't want to "put himself on the centre". The thing is that he had to make a call and thus him being the centre was ineviteble. Imo the referee made a mistake and this decision put him just as much in the centre as if he would have excludrd Holder. What's also unquestionable is that Nicki made a better start then Chris AND that Chris rode into Nicki twice. If a rider does that he certainly have earned himself an exclusion. If a rider is behind and delibrety rides into another rider, like chris did yesterday, he should be awarded with an exclusion. I also think that the all4restart need to be removed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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