TheReturn Posted October 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Apart from committing the cardinal sin of quoting yourself to prove a point; pretty much a peak for egotistical megalomaniacs, you deliberately mis-quote my reply: a sure sign you've embarked on a deliberately argumentative stance. Lift your game, mate. Good to see you're 'working' late; hope your boss doesn't mind you ripping him off. How have I misquoted you? Are they not your words? they are not taken out of context, so how have I misquoted you? and yet again you accuse me of threatening you, show me where I threatened you. You live in a dreamworld don't you? You think the entire world is against you? Did someone steal your toys when you were a kid? Would explain the chip on your shoulder. You like using the word Troll, so just for you, definition of the word Troll In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers. Now, go back and read your own posts you have made tonight, because I would suggest you fit this bill. Don't believe me? Look at what you wrote on another thread 20 minutes ago. I look forward to your tips on Bait, Blazeaway; you're obviously a Master Baiter. Edited October 14, 2012 by TheReturn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 How have I misquoted you? Are they not your words? they are not taken out of context, so how have I misquoted you? and yet again you accuse me of threatening you, show me where I threatened you. You live in a dreamworld don't you? You think the entire world is against you? Did someone steal your toys when you were a kid? Would explain the chip on your shoulder. You like using the word Troll, so just for you, definition of the word Troll Now, go back and read your own posts you have made tonight, because I would suggest you fit this bill. Don't believe me? Look at what you wrote on another thread 20 minutes ago. It's a total waste of time and space replying to your obvious and increasingly desperate attempts to pick a fight, since you cannot even acknowledge your own shortcomings while going to town on what you perceive to be mine. Goodbye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) It's a total waste of time and space replying to your obvious and increasingly desperate attempts to pick a fight, since you cannot even acknowledge your own shortcomings while going to town on what you perceive to be mine. Goodbye. Bye fat fella, thanks for the sport. Oh yeah, you accused me of trolling, but it's my thread... ! Edited October 14, 2012 by TheReturn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch Me If You Can Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Gutted for Nicki, he makes a better start, can get in infront of Holdr who rams Nicki twice and gets away with it. I guess Holder is allowed to do that but not Nicki. Ref was spot on. Pedersen leant on Holder causing him to hit white line and torpedo into Nikki. All 4 back correct or Pedersen excluded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 HATE to see this debate reignited but ... I did ask three different international referees strictly in confidence what they would have done. All three, unbeknown to each other, replied exactly as stated above but without Pedersen excluded, although one did say that if he had no choice but to exclude one it would have been NP. Doesn't change a thing of course ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 HATE to see this debate reignited but ... I did ask three different international referees strictly in confidence what they would have done. All three, unbeknown to each other, replied exactly as stated above but without Pedersen excluded, although one did say that if he had no choice but to exclude one it would have been NP. Doesn't change a thing of course ... Just goes to show the standard of referees these days then. pretty useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Just goes to show the standard of referees these days then. pretty useless. .....or that youre wrong!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 .....or that youre wrong!!! But i am not !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 But i am not !!! oh yes you are!! (it is nearly pantomine season!) :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCaptain Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 oh yes you are!! (it is nearly pantomine season!) :-D So it is! Nicki - He's behind you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 oh yes you are!! (it is nearly pantomine season!) :-D take it you are blind ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 take it you are blind ? No - just saw it the same way as those 3 refs Phil talked to. It was an unsatisfactory start - no more no less - all 4 back. I dont think there will ever be agreement on incidents like these. Often because of selected vision of those favouring one or the other or of course because the incident is a genuine 50/50 call. One thing for sure is that without such incidents and disagreements Speedway would be poorer for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) No - just saw it the same way as those 3 refs Phil talked to. It was an unsatisfactory start - no more no less - all 4 back. I dont think there will ever be agreement on incidents like these. Often because of selected vision of those favouring one or the other or of course because the incident is a genuine 50/50 call. One thing for sure is that without such incidents and disagreements Speedway would be poorer for it. yes indeed not many will agree on this and speedway is better with the incidents. i dont really like any of the two involved but i saw it as holders fault. could be right , could be wrong but then again, i am never wrong Edited November 1, 2012 by The Know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 JUST out of interest Andy, do you like anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 JUST out of interest Andy, do you like anyone? No not really just joking, i like a lot of speedway riders in the gp and domestic racing. Hampel, hancock, lindback to name a few, not just about on track, peoples attitude and the rest make my mind up if i like umm or not same with me, people either like me or they dont Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch Me If You Can Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Just goes to show the standard of referees these days then. pretty useless. Your title does not do you justice! It was all 4 back or Pedersen out and by the way I am not one of the Referees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Your title does not do you justice! It was all 4 back or Pedersen out and by the way I am not one of the Referees. dont talk such utter rubbish. holder lifted and rode into the side of him, yes thats side of nicki. how can that be nicki fault. yes he clamped him down but he was in front and they were nearly into the second bend. catch me if you can ? i would rather not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 (edited) dont talk such utter rubbish. holder lifted and rode into the side of him, yes thats side of nicki. how can that be nicki fault. yes he clamped him down but he was in front and they were nearly into the second bend. catch me if you can ? i would rather not Many have quoted that Nicki was in front so could do what he wanted. If we use this as a benchmark then the next time someones front wheel is wiped out by anothers dirt deflector the faller should be excluded as the other was in front!! Edited November 2, 2012 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 (edited) Many have quoted that Nicki was in front so could do what he wanted. If we use this as a benchmark then the next time someones front wheel is wiped out by anothers dirt deflector the faller should be excluded as the other was in front!! completly differant thing. if that happens a rider is passing and hits the other rider. Holder drove in the side. So if ya in F1 like spa i suppose that was alonsos fault as he had the cheek to turn right and got hit in the side. Edited November 2, 2012 by The Know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 TAKE another look at replays if you can and see how quickly NP clamped down on CH. That is why the referees say it was an unsatisfactory start. The conflict started long before Holder lifted and hit Pedersen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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