dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 even his bloody Labrador was going berserk in the box at him!! ....but time to get off his back, he's taken some white stick!! Keeping a dog in a box thats just plain cruel!! No wonder the poor thing was going beserk!!I changed my mind about Mr Ackroydhe obviously makes bad decisions!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Keeping a dog in a box thats just plain cruel!! No wonder the poor thing was going beserk!! I changed my mind about Mr Ackroydhe obviously makes bad decisions!! Ring the RSPCA Ref Sh!t Pants Craig Ackroyd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy M Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Awful desicion holder should of been excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Keeping a dog in a box thats just plain cruel!! No wonder the poor thing was going beserk!! I changed my mind about Mr Ackroydhe obviously makes bad decisions!! Rubbish , nobody complains when David Blunkett has his dog with him when he is working Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Awful desicion holder should of been excluded. I agree awful decision ref bottled it Nicki should of been excluded 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Phil Down on the track coming out of the corner! Is that the start? I think not! When does the start end in your opinion? after half a lap? 1 lap? or when it suits? If we are being real the start must be before half way round the first corner! I've seen a ref allow 4 riders back when a crash was on the second bend before... Philip The Start only includes the first corner if the Ref decides it does! Its at his descretion! (No rule to say when the start ends!) The scuffle! Well we all play the gamesmanship part of life! (Nikki) We do not all play the near assault by the Holder crew! (Condone that at your peril) watch it again, it was appalling and then Chris had to get involved! Ha ha!!!!! If Nicki kept his mouth shut then nothing would have happened, he is no angel no matter what you think! Of course Chris got involved...Nicki pushed his brother!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior fan Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 21 pages of this trype. As i stated 15 pages ago it doesnt matter what you all think. The only persons opinion that matters is the refs. So move on Chris Holder is the world champion. Yessssss, aussie, aussie , aussie, oy, oy , oy Junior 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rabbit Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I've seen a ref allow 4 riders back when a crash was on the second bend before... I've seen a ref allow all 4 back after a back straight crash on the third lap. That was a bottled decision too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolm159 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Cause of race being stopped Nicki on his arse , he should have been excluded he knew exactly what he was doing .Holder to shut off !!! contrary to what people think its not follow my leader its called racing Ref got it wrong but they never change their minds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 This one seems to have been about done to death, but I thought I'd put my tuppence in. For what it's worth, I think that Chris Holder should have been excluded from the semi final, and I think the ref did take the easy option of inviting all 4 back. However, I don't actually think that decision changed the destination of the title. Nicki simply wasn't on the pace on Saturday and I find it hard to imagine that he would have delivered the results in the semi and then final that he needed to take the title from Chris. It gave us a little bit of drama and controversy, which is always good, while the best man of the year still walked away with the trophy...That isn't a bad result for the sport, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixy230 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) Henry I completely agree! Nikki would have still struggled to make the final and if he did very unlikely to get better than 3rd, he never looked quick all night! Lisa Never have I said Nikki is an Angel, but as you no doubt watched it you could see Nikki chatting to Chris, then being pushed by somebody then it all started. Edited October 9, 2012 by Mixy230 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinsgirl Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Henry I completely agree! Nikki would have still struggled to make the final and if he did very unlikely to get better than 3rd, he never looked quick all night! Lisa Never have I said Nikki is an Angel, but as you no doubt watched it you could see Nikki chatting to Chris, then being pushed by somebody then it all started. I thought Nikki pushed first!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Between 5-6000 in Euros (if indeed a full stop/scrap metal from now on). Funny thing is, when I saw PJR in the pits I thought straight away how many heats are each engine destined to last... What ever, someone counted wrong. someone counted right . a bag of scrap can't be tested for being oversize Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 someone counted right . a bag of scrap can't be tested for being oversize TYPICAL remark from you ... would hate to live in your world 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 someone counted right . a bag of scrap can't be tested for being oversize Meaning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Meaning? As Phil said typical of a very bitter Coventry fan who haven't had a world champion ride for them since Hancock in the nineties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Ref got it right - first bend bunching; all four back. Some folks need to take their blinkers off - I see a few familiar Aussie-haters on here. Sorry, Chris Holder got away with one there, he straightened up going into the corner and then hit Pedersen broadside, nicki has a tendency to turn left on people who are level or even in front of him, but this time he was the wronged party. Still, he has probably cried wolf too often on that sort of crash so he only has himself to blame if he doesn't get the decision, and the clapping gestures are a bit stupid, I remember him trying to put Holder and Hancock into the stands at Cardiff last year! Quite what the Holder entourage were all about either is pretty poor, Crumpie was the only guy to come out of it with credit calming Holder down. However, all made great sporting theatre!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Having just watched it again now on Sky, Nicki definitely cut across Chris and leaves him no room. Am I right in thinking the rider in front is allowed to choose his race line, provided he's not turning left on an opponent? Chris, I assume, has to keep the throttle on to control the bike. He could of course have come off in the hope he gets NP excluded, but doesn't. Chris then hits Nicki. If NP did cut across CH 'illegally', then that's the first incident and the one that should be judged. If illegal NP should have been excluded. If not, then CH should have been excluded for bringing NP down. The issue is that there are no rules, definiations or guidelines. The rules just allow "in the referees opinion" which is why we'll never agree. As for the "the rider in front" train of thought it's rubbish, two riders, mid-bend, the rider in front is marginally ahead, he drifts wide, his back wheel slams into the rider behind front wheel, whos at fault? For you back wheel to hit the guy on the outside, you have to be in front, doesn't make what you did fair or right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) Sorry, Chris Holder got away with one there, he straightened up going into the corner and then hit Pedersen broadside, nicki has a tendency to turn left on people who are level or even in front of him, but this time he was the wronged party. Still, he has probably cried wolf too often on that sort of crash so he only has himself to blame if he doesn't get the decision, and the clapping gestures are a bit stupid, I remember him trying to put Holder and Hancock into the stands at Cardiff last year! Quite what the Holder entourage were all about either is pretty poor, Crumpie was the only guy to come out of it with credit calming Holder down. However, all made great sporting theatre!!!!! I totally agree with the Crump comment,you need good friends who will be there for you when needed and Crumpie was that person. Crump has got alot of bad press in the past,mainly due to his attitude in his early days but he is not like that anymore, a genuine,very likable person who is a great ambassador to the sport. Edited October 9, 2012 by foreverblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 i dont really like either rider but the facts are this: 1. Pedersen made the start 2. He tried to clamp Holder (as he was in front so quite allowed) 3. Holder didnt shut off (to be fair he shouldnt) 4. Holder had 1 wheel over the kerb (perfectly allowed) 5. Holder by having a wheel over either hit a rut or picked up drive 6. Holder ran into Nicki due to the drive he got (not Holders fault) 7. Nicki then fell off because he was hit by Holder. Im not saying Holder meant to do what he did but that is irrelevent. He was the reason the race was stopped. As i said if this was turn 1 of lap 3 and Holder did the same he would have been excluded. The ref wanting to decide the title on the track is a total cop out and wrong. Lets say last gam of the premier league Man Utd v Man City and they are level on points. In the 10th minute Vidic commits a professional foul and should be sent off but the league should be decided on the pitch so the ref lets him stay on!!! The correct decision should always happen whatever time of the meeting or championship its at. Holder should have been excluded his crew a disgrace to him. For what its worth i think he would still have won the title as dont think Nicki would have beaten Gollob or Lindback. and before any jumped up poole idiots moan its not Poole bashing just a wrong decision 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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