pirateandi Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Whatever Whatever Whatever Chris Holder is world Champion 2012 Woo Hoo oh yeah Get over it wooooooooooo Hooooooooooooooooo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) if nicki had fallen at the first point of contact i would of said all 4 back or even nicki to a dive but he didnt ,they touched and then were 2 foot apart when holder lifted and run into the side of pedersen causing him to fall on another note last night proved when done right speedway is the greatest sport on the planet You've summed up the incident perfectly there. I have doubts that Pedersen would have taken full advantage of any Holder exclusion anyway, he simply wasn't going well enough. However, Ackroyd's decision was an absolute shocker. Holder's front wheel waso ff the ground and he was running straight across the corner, exclusion every day of the week to any ref with a modicum of bottle. Edited October 7, 2012 by frigbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graz gp Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 If Pedersen had done what the aussie did he would have been excluded. No danger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 A good transvestite ??? I don't like him but that's a bit harsh ! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarabanko Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 First of all what the heck did James Holder and Jack Holder doing down there? He, James started the aggro nor Nicki or Chris Holder. Decision. Bang, bang two times did Holder slam into Nicki. Holder should have been excluded for stopping the race. Afterwards both Nicki and Chris were shaking hands - big sportsmen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderman Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Right decision, the title was won on the track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PHILIPRISING Posted October 7, 2012 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 ONE thing is for sure: if Nicki had walked straight passed Chris and back to the pits there wouldn't have been any aggro. No doubt in my mind that Nicki was determined to try and wind Chris up and it almost worked. Holder has Crump, who took him off the track and into a quiet corner, to thank for calming him down and clearing his mind. Agree, there was no reason why Holder's brothers should have got involved but let's remember the context of the whole thing and what was on the line. The mere fact that so many people have different views of the initial incident just goes to show that referee Ackroyd was absolutely right to put all four back. Unless it was an open and shut case, which it plainly wasn't, then to exclude either would have been wrong. And would anyone have wanted to see such an exciting and pulsating season end that way? 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Right decision, the title was won on the track. No it wasn't since one rider should have been excluded and thus interfered with the other riders chances of winning the title. What you are saying is that if two riders are fighting for the championship and the one leading violates the rules, he should not be excluded? Had it only been the first incident, ok then all 4 back could possible have worked but it with the second incident as well, where Chris were out of control and slammed into to Nicki that really should have resulted in an exclusion for Holder. The mere fact that so many people have different views of the initial incident just goes to show that referee Ackroyd was absolutely right to put all four back. Unless it was an open and shut case, which it plainly wasn't, then to exclude either would have been wrong. And would anyone have wanted to see such an exciting and pulsating season end that way? But it was. Red rider knocking off Blue rider = red rider excluded unless, red rider leads the championship. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Unless it was an open and shut case, which it plainly wasn't, then to exclude either would have been wrong. And would anyone have wanted to see such an exciting and pulsating season end that way? So rules are not so important when "big" enough incidents happen on track? Nevermind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 So rules are not so important when "big" enough incidents happen on track? Nevermind... The old boys club of Speedway closing ranks again. How could a publication possibly criticise a referee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Agree, there was no reason why Holder's brothers should have got involved but let's remember the context of the whole thing and what was on the line. Typical suck up to Holder from the media and blame Nicki. The context is irrelevant, Holder's hanger-on's had no place on the track. The mere fact that so many people have different views of the initial incident just goes to show that referee Ackroyd was absolutely right to put all four back. Unless it was an open and shut case, which it plainly wasn't, then to exclude either would have been wrong. And would anyone have wanted to see such an exciting and pulsating season end that way? Rubbish, half the people on here saying the referee was right are only doing so because they are Poole or Holder fans, nearly all neutrals, just like the international speedway riders last night, are all calling it that Holder was fortunate to be back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 ONE thing is for sure: if Nicki had walked straight passed Chris and back to the pits there wouldn't have been any aggro. No doubt in my mind that Nicki was determined to try and wind Chris up and it almost worked. So you know what was said do you??....or are you jumping to conclusions?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Typical suck up to Holder from the media and blame Nicki. The context is irrelevant, Holder's hanger-on's had no place on the track. Rubbish, half the people on here saying the referee was right are only doing so because they are Poole or Holder fans, nearly all neutrals, just like the international speedway riders last night, are all calling it that Holder was fortunate to be back in. You really need to get over yourself and recognise that just because somebody holds a different opinion to you doesn't automatically make them wrong. I am not a Poole or especially a Holder fan, in fact Nicki P is probably my favourite rider but I never thought it was a clear cut decision and on review think the ref made the correct call. Clearly my opinion is not as important as yours (in your mind) but I'm pretty sure this forum is here so I can state it. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) Just back from Torun and I agree with the majority of posters. Holder lost control on the first turn and as a consequence knocked off Pedersen. It wasn't deliberate, but it was his fault. No other riders were involved so how it can be called first bend bunching is beyond me. Having said that I have no beef with Chris Holder being world champ - he is the best in the world right now. Historically, I expect this incident to be seen in the same light as the Nielsen/Knudsen incident of 1986. Holder was lucky to get away with it on Saturday, but he is thoroughly deserving of the title and few of us would begrudge him it. Edited October 7, 2012 by falcace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 No it wasn't since one rider should have been excluded and thus interfered with the other riders chances of winning the title. What you are saying is that if two riders are fighting for the championship and the one leading violates the rules, he should not be excluded? Had it only been the first incident, ok then all 4 back could possible have worked but it with the second incident as well, where Chris were out of control and slammed into to Nicki that really should have resulted in an exclusion for Holder. But it was. Red rider knocking off Blue rider = red rider excluded unless, red rider leads the championship. NO it wasn't. If your view yes, but in the view of just as many others it wasn't Holder's fault. So you know what was said do you??....or are you jumping to conclusions?? WELL I was standing about three feet away, so to answer your question: yes Typical suck up to Holder from the media and blame Nicki. The context is irrelevant, Holder's hanger-on's had no place on the track. Rubbish, half the people on here saying the referee was right are only doing so because they are Poole or Holder fans, nearly all neutrals, just like the international speedway riders last night, are all calling it that Holder was fortunate to be back in. ANd you know that how? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 NO it wasn't. If your view yes, but in the view of just as many others it wasn't Holder's fault. WELL I was standing about three feet away, so to answer your question: yes ANd you know that how? howaythen what was said?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 ONE thing is for sure: if Nicki had walked straight passed Chris and back to the pits there wouldn't have been any aggro. No doubt in my mind that Nicki was determined to try and wind Chris up and it almost worked. Holder has Crump, who took him off the track and into a quiet corner, to thank for calming him down and clearing his mind. Agree, there was no reason why Holder's brothers should have got involved but let's remember the context of the whole thing and what was on the line. The mere fact that so many people have different views of the initial incident just goes to show that referee Ackroyd was absolutely right to put all four back. Unless it was an open and shut case, which it plainly wasn't, then to exclude either would have been wrong. And would anyone have wanted to see such an exciting and pulsating season end that way? I've seen Pederson get excluded for a lot less then that. And the meeting would 've finished no different, even if the ref done his job properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Absolutely no doubt Holder should have been excluded and the thugs that started on Nicki should have been marched out of the stadium. Its one thing whn riders have a go at each other in the heat of the moment but completely unacceptable when thuggish pit crew, family and friends start. Shame really because I feel Chris is aq worthy winner of the title but it was tainted by an awful ref desision and thugs on the track. Gracious me... If you think that was "thuggish" behaviour you REALLY can't get out much!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney Rebel Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 imo. nicki clamped holder , fair and legal move, but it did cause "FIRST BEND BUNCHING" riders went down , i dont believe intentionally, and quite rightly the ref put all four back, on his walk back nicki (who wasnt that quick on the night ) tried a few mind games with chris, again nothing wrong in that and all good for the cameras and chris took it well, until, his brothers got involved and flared the situation out of control, they should not be in pits unless mechanicing, let alone on track, the utmost respect should go to jason who took chris away and settled him. imo the ref let the title on track, some refs want the glory to theirselves, craig didnt and was right call imo Spot on post. As for some saying the ref handed Holder the title is ridiculous, Nicki still had the chance to win it but lost out coz on the night he wasn't good enough. Even if Holder had been excluded ( I hate the new "diqualified") there's still no guarantee that Nicki would have won the title. In the end the title was decided on the track where it should be decided. If Holder had been chucked out the fate of the championship would have been out of his hands but by calling all four back it left it in the hands of both riders. Which is the way it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantherman Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I have heard from someone standing right next to him that Steve Brandon was shouting into his mic 'ALL FOUR BACK' as soon as the incident occured before any replays. Maybe this may have got back to Ref and influenced his decision............which was wrong in my opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.